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actually that would be pretty sweet to waste the second build on so you could go into zones or arena and make bets with people to see if they knock you off your feet.

what i would do is switch hoarfrost an hibernate. hiber comes up quick enough with just a rech io in it. also drop medicine and pick up speed pool. haste will do wonders for rech and ss for the quick getaway. you are also gonna want at least 3 kb io's, karma in cj and 2 blessings in both sj and ss. in fact if you can 3 slot both travels, get the whole blessing set for each. will ad some def to go with cloaking device.

see what others say before commiting a build to.

you are wrong. and also don't know what an exploit is. vet's know how to get around the problem of finding teams. they use the global chat channels on the server or use coalition and sg chat. the only issue with the AE is that you and people like you are pulling these crazy ideas out of your [censored] and believe them to be true. hate to tell you but no matter how much you think assumptions and speculation are true, they are not.

wait until i16 comes out. gaurantee people will be [censored] the same things. only the new fotm will be no one is teaming because they are to busy customizing their powers.

oh, and to touch upon exploits so you know what they are, an exploit is when the risk involved(comm officers, green mito's)is far less then the reward given. all of these were dealt with already.

i paid 8 mil for a prophecy this morning because of one of my cats.

i have no problem finding teams for tf/sf's or regular missions. so againi will ask for proof that the AE is why vet's are leaving. have you tried usong globaql chat channels or coalition chat or sg chat? tried in broadcast in AP? sometimes you actually have to do the work to get a team together and not just wait for a blind invite or someone else to start it.

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A lot of the vets are leaving this game because they just cant find teams or TFs easily;

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can you give us some proof of this instead of just speculation.

the reason it was shot down was because it is the same thing you can do outside of the AE. what people choose to put in their AE stories is something that gives a challenge that is different then what can be done outside of the AE. get over it. enough of people trying to claim that all AE is is a farming/pl'ing tool.

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they already have something like that in place. it's called check their info. if all you see is AE badges and no vet badges or only up to the 3 month vet badge then that should be your first clue.

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I've teamed with many new players over the years who had no vet badges who were just as good, if not better, than some veterans I know.

Looking at badges is not a good measure of player ability. How do you know it isn't a second or third account a veteran player just bought?

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how about reading the next post i made after that. then you wouldn't of made this reply.

it is not true. as long as the power takes obliteration you can slot them and get the bonuses. just make sure that you don't already have 5 of the same named bonuses that obliteration offers.

thanks forb. i took it from a more recent post that someone had done that must have his old one still.

nope. and as far as the dev's are concerned: never. that is why we can roll alt's.

yeah that is about the only draw back to it is you don't know if it is a second account or not but if you pay attention to how they play the toon you can guess. and like i said up thread, give help where help is needed. it will make a world of difference.

they already have something like that in place. it's called check their info. if all you see is AE badges and no vet badges or only up to the 3 month vet badge then that should be your first clue.

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and i have other snacks as well: ribs, s'mores, snow cones, ice cream sandwiches and peanuts.

i also have soda.

how about you say: sorry for not searching first and posting in any of the other umpteen thousand threads just like this before you made this post.

enough of these posts already. there is absolutely no problem finding teams to do tf/sf's and other things. use global chat channels, coalition chat and sg chat. use the section for your server here on the forums to organize things. here's another idea for you to ponder, how about actually taking time to explain to the new people how to use their toon. after 4 yr's you must know a thing or 2 to teach them.

also, you may want to check out paragonwiki.com for pretty much all the game info you would like to know as well as ask here on the forums.

hi. welcome to the forums and game. this idea is brought up over and over again and shot down due to various reasons. below is some good reading for you that will give you explinations as to why vehicles won't work and also some quick tips on searching.

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Disclaimer

Yes. This is a cut and paste reply that I keep handy, as well as a quick bit of instruction on how to search. Neither are meant to cause fights or to be insulting. The search instructions are in, not just because forum rules say flat out to search, but to help you and anyone else reading this use the search tool effectively.

The body of the cut and paste reply is the way it is because we've seen these arguments numerous times before. They're a summary of the salient points that come up each time. They are not here to insult you, make you feel stupid or otherwise "bring you down a peg." Instead, they are meant as instruction and information. Please read through the points and the explanation behind them to see the issues that are commonly brought up in response. They may not always match your suggestion 100% - in fact, you may have explained around one or two of them - but they're there for consideration and refinement of your idea.

Yes, I do look forward to the time, with some of these suggestions, that someone not only addresses all the points, but does so exceptionally well. It'll probably be added to the end of the cut/paste reply, with credit. For now, though, read and consider the points. They really are just there to help you, and move discussion along to help ideas evolve.

If you're going to see this and say an "evil forum vet is just shooting down your idea," or "You think you're the last word because of your post count," you're wrong. Heck, if you say the second, you've just worried more about my post count than I have in the last four plus years. Tongue-in-cheek comments in here are meant as humor, not put downs.

Searching Effectively

1. Click on "Search" up at the top of the forum.
2. On the left, under "Forum(s) to search," select "Suggestions and ideas."
3. On the right, Keyword Search Terms. This is probably where your problem was if you did search. Try the following, exactly as typed:

+vehicle -"re: "

This will search for anything with the string "vehicle" in the title.The -re: portion of it removes replies, so you'll see the root of every thread that comes up, letting you see just how many threads there are on this. (The last helps for other subjects, as well.)

Be sure to put the space between the colon and last quote.

4. Click the "In subject" radio button. This is a search, not a cute blonde in a bikini. Here, you want to ignore the body.

5. Leave Username Search blank.

6. Date range, Newer Than, change the 1 to a 3, and the time to Months.

7. Result format doesn't matter. Click on "Submit."

The subject at hand: Vehicles.
Vehicles as travel powers. This gets brought up a lot.

Short answer, don't expect it.

Long answer:
There are a lot of problems with the idea.

1. Movement.

Forward and back,even turning - ok. But you can do things that a vehicle can't - such as strafe (direct side to side or angular movement.) It doesn't work with a vehicle. There are also issues such as drift and "realistic" handling. We can go side to side, as mentioned, and make immediate right angle turns. Cars... not so much.

2. Movement, part 2.

Go stand in the road. No, not you personally. Take your character out and stand in the road, if you're heroside. Or even in the path of civilians. What happens? You get pushed. While not as big an issue with a motorcycle, perhaps, a car would have issues. What happens if two cars meet head on - yours and an NPC, or yours and another player's? Do you just pass through each other? Would you be satisfied with that very odd result? Or would you get stuck? How about those NPCs, can they walk and push your car, or are they walking through it? Neither answer is very satisfying, and intelligent, dynamic pathing is too computationally expensive.

3. Terrain.

Not every place has roads, or even makes sense for "off roading." Go look at Founder's Falls. Go look at Crey's Folley. Or Eden. Try to get to the north islands in Talos. What, do you have a kubelwagen? Look at the Pit in Sharkshead. Try to use your travel power (car) to get up to some of the doorways in high caves. Cars and motorcycles would be more like Superspeed - horizontal movement, period. And look - I'll be blunt - flat out *stupid* tied with, say, Combat Jumping or Superjump.

4. Combat.

You get ambushed on the way. How do you fight? Just have your powers blast out of the rolled up windows? How do you buff or debuff? EVERY power would need a new animation. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Then you want people with motorcycles instead of cars. Redo ALL the animations AGAIN. And they still wouldn't make sense - how do you use Footstomp in a car? Or Stalagmites?

5. Customizing.

Yeah, it would come up. Not everyone would want a sports car, or a mid-70s Buick boat, or an exotic, or a minivan, or whatever else.

6. Making "sense."

This was touched on in terrain - how do you get across water? How about the Shadow Shard? And if you want downright ridiculous looking, go do the heroside 25-34 Respec. Look at the Sky Skiffs inside of rooms or the reactor room. It makes no sense and looks *ridiculous.* Something that, yes, the devs try to avoid.

That's just a quick overview of why vehicles as generally envisioned aren't a spectacular idea for a travel power.

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you also can get a raptor pack(fly temp power) in Kings Row between lv's 5-9 by doing 3 radio missions and the safegaurd mission after those. the contact will show up on your map when you enter the zone. and if you are past lv 9 then at lv 10-14 you can get a zero-g jump pack(super jump temp power). but keep in mind that at lv 14 you can get a travel power of your choice if you have already taken the power pool that a travel power is in. you only have to take 1 power from the pool before you can take the travel power from the same pool.

you don't have to 4 slot health. 3 slots works fine for it. keep the +regen/+rec, heal and heal/? you have and sell off the 4th one to get infl to get the io's for the power they come out of.

you would be better off putting it in health. it is a constant buff that way.

it happens from time to time. don't remove add yet. wait to see if itcomes back for you first.

if it is the same bonus then it get's lumped together. in other words if you have 5 10% regen bonuses, they get lumped into one category under health. and so on and so forth.

if he wants to just stand there and not attack cause he wont have any end sure he can take acro. but i prefer to be able to fight seeing as how you cant win if you don't. and DA already has mez protection built in to it other then hold which doesn't last long enough to worry about.

also remember this is for SC not RV so he won't have Conserve Power. i have taken my lv 29 fire/da scrap through SC many times and have no problem with the build i have so far. pre i13 maybe i would have thought about picking up acro but post i13 it is not needed.

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12 points of kb is 3.9. i know because the fire/ss tank i have has this. well actually he has 15 points which is 4.3 now. i don't get kb'd at all except if someone can stack it which is very rare. in fact the toons i have that have the kb protection built in at 10 points with 1 kb io don't get knocked around. acro is a wasted power and a huge waste of end.

he doesnt need acro if he puts in some kb resist io's. i have a fire/da myself and right now have 2 kb io's in it. soon as i get more slots i'll ahve 3 which is more then enough.

yep. as long as it is not the last one of the arc which gives you your patron power.