Sharker_Quint
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Quote:how about stop assuming you know what he is talking about. he was complaining that he could not PvP with so's. that does not belong in a market thread. i suggest you go back and re read everything that was posted by him to do with that respect. it may have started out a 2 part whine, but turned into a PvP forum question.Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
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no. how you choose to slot your toon is your own thing. every power in the game is coded for it. maybe with the exception of temps and accolade powers. they may still be coded for it but we would never know because we can't enhance them.
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Quote:then you need new glasses.Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior
I did go back and read it and I interpreted what was said differently than you. Sorry, I just don't see anyone specifically stating "only new subscribers can get lifetime subs".
even if they did this, the offer would only be good for so long. 1 month would be to long to offer it. that is why we have trial accounts. and i'm sure that somewhere on the box will be something about the 6th year of CoX. please understand that by buisness sense, lifetime subscriptions for an ongoing, evolving game are only ever good at the very begining or the very end of any MMO.Quote:You are also assuming a new player would buy one right at the get go. A new subscriber may see the GR box set on the shelf at the store advertising a lifetime sub, which in their mind is a good deal if they like the game. That incentive may get them to try the game for a month (which I am thinking the purchase of GR will include a free month of gameplay) and then pay for a lifetime sub if they like it. -
Quote:ancient chinese secret...Originally Posted by Gaheris
How do they get past the auto-rez to the hospital? If you stay faceplanted for longer than 60 or 90 sec (can't remember which) you end up in the recovery ward.
Gaheris
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Quote:how about stop thread jacking? this is the last time i am answering your question as it does not pertain to the topic of this thread.Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
Again, I ask - How is it do-able?
if you get on a competent team, you will last longer then being alone. just because you percieve that you can not PvP with so's does not mean that someone else has the same issue as you. i had a friend try this not to long ago. after getting set up with io's he said the difference was there but on a competent team he didn't worry about not having io's. i watched this with my own eyes. and this was on freedom.
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Quote:i have gotten it with only 1 zephyr, that i dropped durring a roll with tickets. i also figured that with the nerfs to the AE, they would be driven up in price and bought up somewhere around 50 of them so i don't have to worry about those. but enough about that. you can compete, yes compete, in PvP with so's. it is harder and you will die, but that is part of PvP. and as i understand it, it helps to put some PvP io's on the market. but yes, PvP'ing with so's is do-able. not recommended, but do-able.Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
I would counter that you cannot, infact, PvP with SOs. I have given several reasons why. KB is one of them, most definitely not all.
If you have evidence that shows that I am wrong, please show it. Keep in mind that you said compete, not participate. Yes, you can participate with SOs. your participation will be hitting the respawn button over and over again and not having a chance at getting any drops or rep or having a good time.
If you can explain to me how you can compete in PvP with only SOs, I would be glad to admit I am wrong (believe me, there isn't any snark to that comment, I really really want to admit I am wrong)
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and then she makes it clear with this statement:
Quote:that she is only talking about it being offered to NEW subscribers. not offering it to the exsisting base. but until she comes back and makes it completely clear, even though this idea will never see the light of day, it says what it says.Read above where I am referring to NEW subscribers, not the existing base. Offering a lifetime sub is a good deal and can be an incentive for new subscribers.
and answer this question please, why would a new subscriber plunk down $200+ for a video game they have never played that is/will be 6 yrs old by the time GR comes out?
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Quote:i will throw the same argument that others have, you can compete in PvP with so's. infact, freedom is the only server i can think of where kb is used as much as possible so the only io's you really need are kb ones. i can also tell you that you can pick up kb io's anywhere from 500k-5mil. or you can get them free by running some AE, getting some tickets and rolling lv 10-14 bronze rolls. i drop at least 1 karma and 1 steadfast every time i roll. you need 41-43 points of kb to stop the effect from effecting you.Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
I really disagree with you. And its almost just as likely that I won't be able to explain my stance in a way that you will agree with me, but I will give it a whirl.
For over 2 years, all I did in this game was PvP. I thought of wierd lineups, I powerleveled PvP toons, I IO'd out PvP toons. It's the one thing I do in this game and it's the one thing I know a lot about. I'm Far from the best, but you can definately tell by watching me play that I know what I am doing.
I'm going to give a first hand example of why you can't PvP competitively with SOs. I was in RV the other night before I respecced my empath. My empath on live had SOs only - since I PvP'd on test server, IOs didn't matter to me on live. There was a competitive team on villain side and I was trying to form a team hero side to even the score. My night went like this
1. Levitate knocks you up - can't do anything for atleast 2 seconds
2. Dominate holds you for 2 seconds - again, still can't do anything for an additional 2 seconds
3. Respawn in the hospital. you're already dead
Now, I may joke that I am bad at PvP, and I am compared to some of the top tier participants, but I know how to survive a Spike if its possible. It is NOT possible with SOs to stop this type of a spike. It is not possible without even a small amount of IOs - you need a lot of IOs to counter this spike.
Flash forward to last night. My empath has respecced and I had to gut a base I used to use to copy IOs to test for build testing to get the IOs I needed (wow my grammar sucks - that sentence blows, anyways) Now, in an arena match, here is how it went
1. Levitate doesn't move you
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3. Phase goes off and I live
The difference that IOs give you is 2 seconds in this scenario. and THAT is why they are required.
Now, this is my experience, and I have been around the block. If I can't stop a KB spike with SOs, then how should a new person to PvP or a casual PvPer do it?
So, is the problem with the availability of IOs, or the necessity that PvP requires of them? is it both? is it neither? All I know is the status quo currently isn't working. Im almost forced to resort to purchasing Inf from Gagoras because I can't spend weeks grinding out money like UberGuy suggests to get the necessary IOs needed to compete.
I completely understand where the market guys don't want things handed everyone on a silver platter because were 'lazy' or 'casual,' I don't want to have a complete Pimped out IO'd build - I know the work required to get it. I just want to be able to compete and have the IOs that are required to compete not cost 500million total. I want to be able to play the part of the game that I like without being forced into a mini game that I do. not. want. I'm sure people can understand how I feel just by thinking about how mad they would be if they were forced to PvP just to be able to do an end game task force.
guess what else? if you sell your drops at the market it funds your builds.
guess what else? if you have 2 types of players, PvE and PvP, going for the same io's, purples and PvP io's, you are going to pay out the nose for them. supply vs demand. -
Quote:do you even know what you are talking about?Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Due to the purple patch, they pretty much do not affect +5s and die instantly, same with +4s. MMs got hit hardest by the new i16 difficulty options with options for much higher level mobs.
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yeah, but only until the end of the month. but if he took 1 toon of each faction to the other servers with 2 bil on each he might be able to keep transfers going at no cost also. although he would only be able to hit up 6 servers? i think before the free transfers are done.
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sorry nox, i gave away all my snacks earlier.
no, wait...wait... i found some caramel popcorn if that is good for you?
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Quote:yeah, i didn't see the date. sorry. but i'm not the only one who didn't see it... *points ant sam*Originally Posted by Master-Blade
I think it was in response to the fact that this thread was created 05-06-2009.. and suddenly it was brought to life 9 months later.
We can only assume the OP has fixed his issue by now, if he/she even still plays.
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Quote:if you believe this, i have some ocean front property in Arizona that i would love to show you. go through and read some of the guides to marketeering. then when you are all done, go back through them again. then after you have spent 3 days thinking about how wrong you are, you can come back and tell us so.Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Yes., You are hated because us honest players post salvage low so that people that NEED them can buy them, yet you greedy marketeers just flip them when you don't NEED the salvage. In conclusion, we hate you.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA
Obviously.
Read above where I am referring to NEW subscribers, not the existing base. Offering a lifetime sub is a good deal and can be an incentive for new subscribers.
All you are doing is assuming. You are assuming offering lifetime subs would negatively impact the game when you have no idea whether it would or not. Sure, it might. Then again, it might not.
I happen to know quite a few people who have not received any pay raises in the last 3 years, let alone EVER receiving any kind of bonuses.
the problem is how many new players are going to plunk down $230 up front for a video game that is near 6 yrs old? what part of it is not a good buisness practice to offer lifetime subs after so long unless the game is dying don't you understand? and even then you are taking a chance that the game won't close it's door the next day after you lifetime sub.
for a brand new game starting out, fine. for a game that has had the life span such as this, absolutely not, no way, never, no how and all that jazz for saying NO. -
sorry sol, i ran out of fruit baskets and chocolates, would you accept ice cream with rainbow sprinkles?
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Quote:if that was in response to my post, he could have tried to update the video drivers already but they corrupted when installing. notice this date: 01/01/0001 12:00:00 AM.Originally Posted by LISAR
9 months later...
he also needs to update to service pack 2 for vista as told by this:
Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.090302-1506)
and because of this: C Drive: (WDC WD2500BEVS-75UST0 ATA Device) 38204MB out of 205484MB (18%) free, i would try to remove anything you didn't absolutely need on the hard drive. store your music and photos/videos on a portable hdd or flash drive. -
*sends rachel a fruit basket and some chocolates* very nicely written.
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Quote:why? we all know that most everyone would take it. fine. but what happens when the money generated from the group that didn't take it isn't enough to keep development going? the game shuts down. i will repeat: THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS VERSION OF COX.Originally Posted by Miss_Freeze_NA
They could offer one with the release of Going Rogue. Offering a lifetime sub would not signal the deathrose of this game as many seem to believe it would.
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Quote:and STO just recently came out. this game has been around for 6 yrs almost and is to far in to offer anything like this for this game. if they make a CoX2 then fine, offer it for that for the first month or so. for this game, NO.Originally Posted by Shard_Warrior
Who is to say that offering lifetime subs is a bad business decision? Perhaps link to some article or other evidence that reflects MMO's who offer(ed) lifetime subs are all failures? I'll believe it if I see it.
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that is exactly the problem storm, you won't be able to come up with a number or any reward that will matter. to little and it isn't worth it, to much and there won't be teams.
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and you would have gotten a faster reply just by announcing it in arena channel. or broadcast.
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there is a similar suggestion to this in the suggestions and ideas forums. basically to make this work, it would require that when you choose a power from a tier it locks out all other powers from that tier. and this would be limited to attack sets only. primary for some at's, secondary for others. yes it would require that all powers of each tier act pretty much the same damage wise but would work balance wise.
this though, is not an idea to be implemented into this version of CoX but a new idea to take on for CoX2. -
i do agree that the supply is low. and yes my last post in here was kinda rude. i had just come off reading some of the market/get rid of everyones hard earned infl/inf threads. taking into consideration on how the recipes were dropping pre i15 **** up, i think that maybe the drop rate should return to that. there were at least recipes on the market then.
also take into consideration that the PvP'ers are not the only ones that want these. so we do have a bad situation when it comes to getting them. -
i guess people really will sue over nothing. gotta love this wonderful world we live in. lemme guess, next they're gonna try to sue mother nature for having a season with the name winter?
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i don't know either way, but someone that doesn't want to put in any effort to getting them and wants them handed to them sounds a lot like the same people who are ******** about prices in the market. they want EVERYTHING for no effort. i have 2 friends that had set up PvP io farms and hagve dropped 7-10 of them over the weekend. seems about on par with purple drops.