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Originally Posted by Demetrios Vasilikos

Since you sound like your trying to understand Ill try to explain one last time as clearly as possible.

LORE BASED RP. You do know who Bentley Berkeley is for example right? No not my character, which he isnt, he is my role, when an actor is chosen to play say new kirk for example, he is no more or less then the other actor to portray the character( for the purpose of the anaology)

Sometimes actors can even have interesting insights into thier roles and use them to expand the character further then even the original writer who created it imagined. That is the only reason I have for my characters.

The original post isnt about an RP plot played out by a group, its just like many other theories on how or why we could bring back statesman using the new ritual from the holiday event.

Ill try and point to how I am using in game lore and content to create a viable idea that just like now few others suggested, offers a way to bring back marcus cole who not all are happy to see fall, at least not yet nor so quietly.

With the new holiday event we have a ritual and the requirements pretty clearly spelled out. Some suggest why cant this work for all. Some say well statesman is alot more then just some crazy lady and would take bigger magic.

I replace the generic coins with the 2 used for an ancient incarnate that yes I personally have long imagined Ol **** dates back to cimorea, and yes have long imagined as having some connection to the oracle since I chose for him to bea psi/ment blaster.

I listed a number of lore characters, and a few names of characters I play or know played all based on lore involving the very subjects being used in the comic series quite alot. Its not about my ego when I suggest those names but simple logic. Ive seen others suggest roughly the same using more main stream names, but imo **** is a bigger wiz then younglings like numina, he is just alot more humble and out of the spot light.

Other things I make reference to are the remains of tielekuu, seen in the cim section of the club, I make use of vlamaz because its a simple fact demons deal in the stuff of life that is magical, who else makes more sense to know before mention of the ritual that states own final breath might be handy?

Its not hard to imagine that an immortals blood, and last breath would likely carry some bigger boosts to a ritual then a typical person. Could you imagine a blood mage having a stock pile of Highlanders blood? People go on about how much they wanted a selfless and heroic sacrifice for statesman, why not a really old human who makes states seem young, who knew the last incarnate, maybe even was given a prophecy back then about states and his hour of need. Why not kill off a background character from lore who was always left in the dust anyways like Berkeley and let marcus cole have a chance at a final normal lifetime without power and responsability but who could still act as a NPC in some minor way, perhaps the new city rep in RP? so he wouldnt over shadow our own characters, but niether be removed so casually as to have no few players feeling like the face of thier game just got hit with acid then beat with an ugly stick.

again lore based RP isnt even about just RP its about being an immerssive part of the game even solo, even ona non rp pug, your trying to add an extra layer of depth for those around you.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

You mean you getting rightfully torn apart for god-moding game canon itself?
Yeah, lets leave it at that.

Not one thing god mode about my concept characters I have seen far more so called original concept characters who border on god mode then my lore based characters based on research of the game and a desire to actually be a part of the game world we love.



A 'valid' version that featured your canon god-moding character as the main centre of attention, you mean? A version that any Dev writer would likely, with good reason, laugh right out of the office?

Really and why would they laugh at a story using all thier own content in an imaginative way? I may be rusty and wasnt there but I seem to recall devs having so much love for us players they even hosted an in game wedding for a pair. Yes I made a character named Bentley Berkeley directly inspired by the npc hostage from two old story arc missions who in game lore has just enough interesting tidbits about him I felt compelled to try and breathe some further life into him. Sorry if that hurts your feelings so much bud.




...How many Canon based NPCs have you 'spiced up' and god-moded, exactly? Do you even have any idea of what you are doing, or are you genuinely convinced what you are doing is somehow 'right'?
Or have I just been very successfully trolled? I would almost rather it were the latter.

I have an entire SG devoted to Crey with every character I and anyone else running in it drawn from game lore based on crey, starting with my character count alphonse crey aka the invisble falcon who many wrongly beleive was murdered by crey. Crey ofcourse in our RP view is the most noble and heroic organization on earth and Statesman a tyrant in the making we have long fought to disrupt the rise of.


Fecking hell, I am NEVER going on Virtue, if that's where you spend your days...

A true shame Id be happy to have you come meet any of my characters so you could at least judge them based on personal knowledge but to each thier own. And yes I am Virtue Forever as most of us who RP there are. Not like we all get along, hell I hate them damn WOD vamps beyond all reason. Maybe thats just what I am to you, your WOD vamp. If so again sorry bud but sometimes thats just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Lucky666

LOL RP and LOL WOW.


That is all.

Originally Posted by Demetrios Vasilikos

Hm I could be mistaken but dont you rep Union RP? Just to keep in line with my typical arrogence that is like a SYFY movie actor trying to talk trash to some classic great like Basil Rathbone. Yeah I went there.

I do love it when the ignorant try to decry my character as a godmod. Let me count how they are not.

T'Keron Valmaz is yes the Lord Of Demons, frankly put when after 3 months in year one of seeing tons of really poorly concieved non canon related demons,devils,fallen angels, and half breeds running around I was like know what I am going to make a proper Demon character to RP just to try and spread some Lore. I did some research, naturally it always circled back to the CoT and Infernal. I came to see the very concept of T'Keron Valmaz as exactly the kind of concept so many where trying....and utterly failing at, creating let alone RPing.

He was the most powerful of his kind, now suddenly shackled with aspects of humanity, morality for example, emotions like guilt and doubt suddenly plagued a mind so ancient and complex it would be a truly worthy challenge to try and RP. I ended up drawing mainly upon inspiration from the Xanth saga by piers anthony and the Demon Xanth. A being who simply put saw our world as a speck of sand in the bigger picture, but wasnt so disconnected as to not recognize the impact Powers from even a single dimension could have. It takes little logic to assume it would of been Valmaz who made the first pacts with Orenbega to arm them with power ancient enough to match Tielekku the God.

I actually see as in IRL view point valmaz and not tielekku as the first and most important hero in COX lore. Had he not stood on our behalf game over right there, tielekku enslaves humanity, nothing left but a world of her zealots. So I try to give such a figure life, to use it to educate my fellow players on the actual game world they are playing in rather then using some generic Im a evil monster cus Im a demon tripe. In my book a demon of the caste of Valmaz is the icon of the moustache twirling to cool to have to kill villain with a secret heart of gold Benevloent dictator type. And really considering what you can guess of my RL personality isnt that the absolutely perfect kind of character for me to RP? I mean come on would you want anyone but an egotistical in game lore junkie to try and play such a character? Someone would have eventually used that name if I hadnt and could of easily been one of those Emo drama queens rather then a guy who just likes to sit at the D talking about moments in game lore history as if they where moments that actually meant something to me.

Really though just know if you truly love the game like me then I am not really any different from you no matter how you want to try and seperate yourself.

Side note: WoWtard more or less means someone whose first MMO is a wow type, or worse wow itself, and that you put more energy into the numbers aspect of building a character then the story concept. Pretty much as long as you always put the concept first, no matter your reason your not a WoWtard.

But it is spreading and rampantly. I meet more and more on virtue, on sarlona in DDO, pretty much every last haven for mmoRPGers is slowly being enroached on by people finally leaving WoW or AoC or very likely soon a mass exodus from ToR once they cap each class once and relize that is the exact depth of the content. Like any natural creature in existance, slowly we lose the enviroment originally made for our kind to those who would steralize it in a realm of perfect min max meta gamed optimal play/build/team composition.

I am a Sith Lord so please keep feeding me all those yummy negative emotions.

Oh and Han didnt shoot first nor 2nd. He was the ONLY shot! Han is also probably the only one bad *** enough to have taken shots at Vader and lived

Originally Posted by Demetrios Vasilikos

Ah good times, I love the hostility that a lack of understanding breeds within others.

Im pretty sure I prefaced this with it just being an RP idea froma specific server I thought maybe, with all the hoopla on the forums about States death, and no few offering up ideas on how to bring him back Id toss in mine. Since it wasnt an open RP forum story or anything I figured general discussion was as viable a spot to place it as the RP section. Pardon me if that is just so offensive to the non RPers.

The contempt some feel for Lore Based RP is nothing new, nor is Lore RPing. Just about all the good names and concepts where scooped up in year one, least those connected with early content from Dauntless to Atlas with an i for the L. The desire for myself and the vast majority who choose to run characters like this is simply to be more integrated into the games plots. Why some take such offence to this I never really do understand.

Maybe we are arrogent though in that we do hope that Devs really do play this game as fellow players often, we hope they may be among us on occasion and take note of the affection thier players have for the story of the world they have created. Maybe we even hope some of what we do is taken notice enough to inspire the Devs in turn and give them story ideas easy to weave into the current game world.

Sure BB is my character on virtue, I know from attempts others must have used the name on a few other servers at least so its not like its a magically difficult name to get an idea for a character from. I mean he is one of the few immortals in COX lore and a magician who helped to found the midnighters. Outside of a few very old story arcs where he is used as a npc hostage he is a forgotten and oft unsung hero imo. My only intent when running him has ever been to help other newer players to understand simple ways to improve the quality of thier play time or run quick TFs where all are welcomed if of the min lvl range and up for a smooth painless run.

And ofcourse my rp is my little world still I mean is that news that pretty much every RPer has a unique view of how they explain the world. Nothing at all wrong with tieing yourself to an occasional bit of content. Most I know rarely get into an argument about a given moment, most just stay flexible and let whoever mentions one first in a given topic rights to it.

Sure we dont all need to be the guy who ran the posi, or the lgtf etc but some of us had to, if your chatting with a stranger who maybe for the first time ever ran a tf and it was fun and he is just itching to talk about it from an IC perspective, are you going to shout them down for talking like it was them who helped synapse stop the clockwork king?

As always nowhere did I ever attempt to imply I was some end all be all, nor did I only include names of concept characters I run. I simply offered up a view using game lore fueled ideas and characters. Characters that would in the lore be among the most logical to be the actual canon heroes confronting wade. Even the Lord of Demons fused with a human and exiled to primal earth would have great reason and power to intercede on humanities behalf just as he did to save earth from Tielekku so long ago.

If you can look past your needless hate for a fellow fan of the game we all play for a moment just follow the basic plot outline.

A group of midnighters lead by Bentley Berkeley thier oldest living member and almost certainly the teacher to people like Wade, confronts him. Wade is after all clearly following the Path of The Dark, the cult of Rularuu, and in lore the group Berkeley has been keeping earth safe from for who know's how long.

They are allied with one of the most mysterious and shadowy figures of coh lore where magic is concerned to gather the means and knowledge to attempt to stop Wade, but are to late to save statesman.

Using the alignment arcs BB confronts his evil future self, then going red side aquires the flames of prometheus, well known to be able to rekindle power. Combined with a variant of our newly learned ritual of ressurection, and fueled by the selfless sacrifice of an immortal long weary of watching those he has known grow old and die, he gives life to the young icon that is marcus cole, now free of the will of the well, to be the hero the world needs.

Hell ill go delete my characters named that IOs and all if it will chill you sour pusses out and take it for the light hearted fun it was intended to be.

I guess its true what they say, cox is really going to the wowtards these days who can only see numbers, cookie cutter builds, and spew hate on anyone who actually likes the game enough to be a part of it.

Originally Posted by RuthlessSamael

You are not doing much to endear yourself to the community, nor to dispel the notion that you are pretentious or self-absorbed, by becoming hostile when someone points out, correctly, that your advice is useless in context.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison

If it's not client side, how is it that Sam isn't seeing any problems?

The fact is that bugs are funny like that. I can't really be sure where it is, but as I've said, something similar has happened before, and it was a client side issue then.

Try the fix I've suggested; force the launcher to do a game repair. If that doesn't fix it, then I'll be more likely to agree with you that it's server side.