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8 characters in Hurricane (not Whirlwind...)? I think that's a tad optimistic. And FWIW, most of the toons you've given seem to be focusing - in your ideal world - on using their secondaries pretty much exclusively to be "uberising" the opposition. Hate to be the one to drop this on you, but they could do that before the mez nerf. Regardless, everyone knows the perfect 8-team controller setup is 7 Ill/Rads and a Mind/Storm.
Interestingly enough, though, you don't mention /Sonic - who actually would spook me if I saw them in a huddle of 'trollers. Their ability to add (Sonic Barrier, Sonic Haven, Sonic Dispersion) and remove (Sonic Siphon, Disruption Field) resistance - that's before you include their ally -mez (Clarity) into it all - could seriously screw up my Claws/SR.
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Eight people can fit into a Hurricane (I thought it was called Whirlwind, my bad), and besides I listed seven.
I decided to be more real about this and listed people who I know ingame, actual people with these sets. I don't know very much about Sonic either so I didn't even consider it, and I don't know any Sonic Controllers.
Of course they could use their secondaries before the Mez nerf, they always could beat huge groups of Scrappers before the Mez nerf too.
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For some reason, you seem to think I'm going to be standing still.
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Attacks ground you, Quicksand has a very wide area of effect, people are smart and can predict, they're not going to miss with their Quicksand placement and you wont be outrunning their Hover with your Hurdle combat jump combo then.
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Aside: how usable is Force Bubble now, post-ED? Secondly, why does no-one on the Scrapper/Emp team have TP Foe?
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What's the difference? End drain? I assume the End Drain can still be beaten but that wouldn't matter anyway - 3 /Empathy will ensure permenant full End bar. TP foe would be very effective, but again - people aren't stupid, we're not going to stand around wondering what all the Scrappers are doing round a corner, we're going to run over to you and kick your [censored].
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Gotta TK me first, and an undirected TK only serves to dump you out of range. Presuming that everyone's stood stock still in a Force Bubble as you suggested, I don't have to worry about a cunning Mind 'troller maneuvering me about.
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I don't think I've ever said standing still. Besides it just came to me, what's stopping our Bubbler from just running you into a corner and letting the Mind Controller keep you in it with TK from there?
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In an ideal world, maybe - but people don't move together in military fashion in PvP for a number of reasons. And as I said, we won't just be TPing you out around the corner out of LoS, oh no, not for a second - and better yet, we won't TP the Bubbler away, that would just be rude.
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Scrappers don't somehow manage to evade every Controller's attempt at slowing/holding them either. Being able to Teleport depends on the Scrapper's ability to target the Controller, I've already said that Group Invis would be a good tactic for the Controllers and you have to be far away for the Controller not to just Superspeed in the opposite direction back to his allies, you can't be too far away if you want to actually TP him.
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Okay, pretend that I've invited teammates with some ability and imagination.
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People who think getting owned repeatedly is fun?
