Sailboat

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Barrage *is* a horrible attack when taken in the context of how useful first tier powers are at higher levels.

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See, that's what caught my eye: at higher levels.

Honestly, if you're going to shrug off discussion of Barrage as a leveling tool for lower level tankers, and just discuss its desirability as part of a finished attack chain, in the *ahem* Energy melee set, you've lost me just like you've lost most of the other folks here.

Given the problems various powersets in this game have, and here I'm speaking of all ATs, not just Tankers, calling for an improvement to Energy Melee's high-level attack chain is just laughable. Ask a Trick Arrow Defender if you can have his Dev time to fix that.

It's like complaining about the freshness of the caviar in the fridge of the free nuclear-powered yacht you've been given.

Sailboat

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I've lost track. Are you trying to say SR is better than Regen because it can take purple inspirations and get a higher defense?

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Not saying that SR is better, just wondering about it's defences

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why can't REGEN take those inspirations and get an almost-as-high, or higher (for the cost of one more inspiration), defense, AND still have its full suite of self-healing abilities?

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SR has already high defences. Regen could not take enough purples to catch up with SR, as SR could just take more, and sense there defence is already higher, they would always be higher in defence with the same amout of purples.

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This is based on a misunderstanding of the caps.

The minimum chance to hit is 5% (currently -- will probably change for some powerful npcs in I7). So everyone will always have a 5% chance to hit, even with one million defense. That's called "flooring" the chance to hit; it's the opposite of a ceiling.

SO in your experiment, after a certain number of inspirations (and it's not many), SR floors a given opponent's chance to hit. After ONE MORE (or 3 more, in the case of Elude), Regen has ALSO floored the foe's chance to hit.

Now BOTH are hit only 5% of the time -- but Regen is recovering from the damage like, well, only a Regen Scrapper can.

Because the caps exist, Regen always can -- and always will -- catch up to SR's defense, in an inspiration-popping race, because after a certain point more defense does not help at all.

Sailboat

Tabbitha wrote:

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Exaggerate much? Aim (or Build Up with toHit slotting) is sufficient to trump the entire benefit of the SR and Ninitsu defense lines for 10 seconds, barring the activation of level 38 powers. You make it sound like that they can stand in the midst of enemy fire and can ignore it at will. It's flatly untrue.

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You are talking about PvP, what about PvE?

Also what if SR takes a few purples? Does that not push there defence up??

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Uh, I've lost track. Are you trying to say SR is better than Regen because it can take purple inspirations and get a higher defense?

Uh...why can't REGEN take those inspirations and get an almost-as-high, or higher (for the cost of one more inspiration), defense, AND still have its full suite of self-healing abilities?

Bringing purple inspirations into this discussion would seem to decisiviely swing the advantage to Regen.

If that's NOT what you're trying to say, I'll need more explanation before I can figure it out.

Sailboat

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I have a regen/spine too. and i gotta tell you. This Bug was about the only thing that helped mitigate the fact that everything hits us. Now that it is going to be eventually removed? Regen is going to SUCK! Think about it......Everything hits you. Everything gets thru. Sure you can heal fast but your DMG now more thn any other AT will be castrated. You will be a Poverty struck Stalker version of a tank. Better resistance to dmg but crapier dmg than your rest of your bretheren. And that means having to rely more on not being seen, (and almost impossible feat now adays) and a prayer you get in time before you are actually seen to do your worst. We'll get no def. We'll be knocked out of hide more easily and a hell of a lot often than any other set. And we're essentially screwed. So even though it was not intended......REGEN get's screwed again!

NERF REGEN!

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Can't you just break line-of-sight?

Sailboat

No sign it was nerfed last night (after the patch).

Clockwork are highly resistant to Lethal, aren't they? Could that be it?

Sailboat

I'd like to nominate the Turks as a conquering group whose influence on history (especially military history) is under-studied in the West.

Aside from the terror Europeans felt of the Turkish empires in the Middle Ages, Turks (Turkic-speaking peoples of various sorts) probably formed an important part of Genghis Khan's "******" armies. And they remain one of the very, very few major ethnic/linguistic groups to have escaped being drawn into European and Asian empires; they even walked a narroew line of nominal independence during the Cold War.

Sailboat

So what is this new project?

PS: As a lover of words, I admire even your "thefts"; brazenly stealing from both Shakespeare and Lincoln in the same post. Steal from the best!

Regards,

Sailboat

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Also, for what it's worth, according to the 2000 Census, Rhode Island's not the most diverse place:

81.9% White
8.7% Hispanic
4.5% Black
2.3% Asian
0.5% American Indian
2.7% mixed race

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What percent Kheldian? Extradimensional? Demonic? Robot? Elvish? Shoulder Kitten?

Heehee, I think the "demographics" of Paragon City defy analysis.

And regarding the issue that started this particular line of discussion, while I'm certainly in favoir of minority heroes, are we (regular humans) not ALL believed to be of African descent? Africa is the mother continent to all hominids. Two opposable thumbs up!

Sailboat

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DIVERSITY-NAZI's!!!

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No apostrophe is necessary to make "Nazi" plural. Thank your friendly neighborhood grammar Nazi.

Sailboat

If I looked down one morning and saw blood in any black stream, I'd call the doctor immediately.

Sailboat

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Now, if PLing were to be taken away or even continued to be nerfed, when one or more of us level past others of our group... some of them will loose interest ( as was stated by an earlier post) and will quit the game.

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Doesn't sidekicking allow you to play together socially even better than PLing because all parties are actively contributing?

Sailboat

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Pri/Sec: Ice/Empathy

Frostbite to keep the main target group held in place
Ice Slick under the majority of the group


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Frostbite gives knockback resistance and will negate the knockdown effect of Ice Slick.

Sailboat

Here it is at last, Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls: The Epic Poem!

Set to the rhythm of Lewis Carrol's Jabberwocky, naturally.

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And dost thou know the Skuls, my son,
who vandalize this troubled land?
Thou must go hunt them one by one
and kill them where they stand.

For long he wandered Atlas Park
in search of Skuls both near and far.
At last he found some, right at dark
just beating on a car.

One-two, one-two, and through and through
our hero cycled his attacks.
He found the Kill Skuls! Guide(tm) was true --
his progress wasn't lax!

The Skuls' messy expirations
brought him lightning-fast advancement;
experience, inspirations,
and a Training-type enhancement.

And have you hunted Skuls, my son,
and have you found and killed them all?
While you were out there having fun
I bravely faced this wall.


Sailboat