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Originally Posted by Paladin

If they add the boots without adding the missing male SciFi pieces, it will make one thing clear: those of us who want more parts for our male characters will need to get more vocal and organized in our efforts for (close to) equivalent costume pieces. Even after the Carnival of Light packs, Sashes, Imperial Crowns, and more have been locked from male characters while one sided developments towards female options continue, things have been pretty mellow.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

They do so much the way I want, its inexplicable why they don't go all the way and just do everything the way I want.

Originally Posted by Leo_G

Not sure if that's a jab at the blasters I use or a jab at soloing at x8 in general...I'll just say I rarely min/max to solo at maximum. I just make the character as effective without going out of my way to aim for performance and pick the difficulty to which offers a decent challenge and is fun.

As was mentioned, I could probably lockdown a +4/x8 spawn on my Sonic/Ice/Munitions if he was able to actually survive long enough to use his powers...that just requires building up survivability. The important point was he has the aptitude of mezzing many foes and then picking them off at his leisure. I'm sure certain combinations of Ice/Energy/ can do it too, relying on Power Boost to lengthen holds and using an epic like EM Pulse, Sleep Grenade or whatnot to trap many more.

It's just a matter of building a Blaster to do that...it just requires choosing certain powers and slotting them.

Where that leads to, however, is discussion of the effectiveness of such tactics on a Blaster. The powers work, but at a bare-minimum. They can effectively hold some *for a time* but the recharge of these powers are prohibitive or the duration is limited. I still think, if this is reviewed and revised, it will turn Blaster survivability around without straight up granting them armor...if armor is needed is a new matter entirely.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

Especially since Cimeroran or Warworks Lore pets probably put out more damage than the Tanker themselves.


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Originally Posted by Dirges

Now gimmicks yes having build up recharge is much better then a little resistance, but SS still has full crit damage as well, so the gimmick is not as big of a factor. Also someone else has mentioned that the lost of the damage buff, I will point out that SS does and extra 30 damage if used at level 3. I know it doesn't make up for the loss of damage on aoes, it does for single target attacks.

Originally Posted by Ultimus

What is the ST chain?

Originally Posted by Hopeling

Right, your test definitely shows that Radial wins for your attack chain, but the question is whether that result can be extrapolated to all powersets. Since TW is unusual in ways that directly affect how much it benefits from doublehit, I'm not at all convinced it is representative. A Gloom-less SS brute might not do so well with doublehit, for example, since only two attacks in the set are really slow, and one of them (Foot Stomp) has an aoefactor of ~3 that penalizes its doublehit effectiveness twice (granted, the brute's lower damage scale might still make Radial more attractive than Core). A Dual Pistols character might also gain less benefit, since HoB is such a key power, but doublehit caps recharge at 20 seconds for its damage calculation (and caps it before applying the aoefactor penalty, which is quite large - 4.75 - for HoB).
Altogether, doublehit damage on HoB should be, according to the City of Data formula,
(0.8 * 20 + 1.8) * 2 * 107.09 / 10 / 4.75 * 0.4
= 32.1, regardless of AT.
Whereas +75% damage from Core adds ~130 to HoB with Incendiary Ammo for a Corruptor, more than four times as much. A Blaster would gain a yet larger benefit.

For Titan Weapons, yeah, Radial definitely wins. For other sets with mostly long-recharge attacks, too. But that's not every set, and double-dipping on the aoefactor penalty might mean Radial generally loses for AoE powers. Needs more testing.

Originally Posted by StratoNexus

The cycle times definitely are keeping the proc rate high (pretty much 100% across the board as Hopeling noted) and the high base recharge powers keep the bonus damage of double-hit high. That said, if you could maintain the stacks of Core, it should still be better (maybe, I haven't really checked how awesome double-hit gets at the 16 second and 20 second recharges).

This leads me to believe maintaining stacks of Core could be an issue, although it may be particular to TW or even to your specific chain.
Cool info, thanks.

Originally Posted by Granite Agent

Doesn't it seem highly unlikely they will let this stand? I mean, they may for a while, but ultimately it will get "fixed" like Enyzmes etc. With the chain you posted my TW/SR already was doing like 350dps and taking pylons down crazy-fast. If I add Double-hit procs per your description it likely will make heads explode.

Originally Posted by Issen

Define "badly built". You don't need IOs to succeed in iTrials.

Originally Posted by Snow Globe

I don't think we can agree on that. As it stands, it is a needless wall that occurs late in the trial. I don't think the requirement should be to ensure that 1/4 of the league has strong debuffs.

Oh, and something else that needs to be fixed:



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Originally Posted by UberGuy

TW may be using the non-momentum activation times to calculate proc rates. I don't know if anyone has checked that.

Originally Posted by StratoNexus

I do not believe this is true. My testing indicates that Core is almost always better for most characters with a damage mod of 1 or higher. I am really baffled how you managed to get more mileage out of Radial on a scrapper. What was the attack chain used?

Corruptors are lower than mod 1 and could be better off with Radial, BUT, Scourge makes it tricky, IMO. All of the bonus damage you get from Core is doubled with Scourge. None of the bonus damage from double-hit is affected by Scourge. And outside of scourge, Core is not too far below double-hit. Depending on what content you primarily play, it may be worth getting a slightly smaller bonus on regular spawns in order to get that really juicy power against tough opponents.

Originally Posted by Black_Assassin

Even if i cant fit Aim into my build? still double hit over stacking?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

Why do Brutes get an inherent damage buff power. No other archetype gets to have such a huge damage buff without having to take a power.

Blasters can shoot with limited attacks while mezzed. No other archetype can do that. Why are they allowed to do that if no one else is? Because they needed something, and the devs wanted to give them something unique.

Let me repeat: the devs wanted to give them something unique. Why does anything get to do something no one else does? That's usually the reason why. Whatever we do to Blasters, being something unique to them is very high on the list of things that should happen. If its something anyone else can do, or everyone else can do, its probably not worth doing for Blasters.