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I don't like memes, so when I find one I DO like, I'm going to keep using it.

Besides, it's not like I can't walk into a single active thread and see the same meme fired off at least twice.

That, and it's the best thing ever. A hedgehog, entirely vulnerable, telling someone to bring it on? That's how serious I took the conversation, thus why I used it twice. It was dumb and... you're distracting me. Leo_G stop that.

Ahhh, this poor counter again.

So you think 10 Seconds of 100% (or 80% in some AT's) and 62.5% (50% in some AT's) for 10 seconds is equal to and worth the same as 80% for 120 Seconds?

... >_>

If it's that big of a deal, fine. Nerf Build Up and Aim too? But the fact you think Build Up and Aim are equal to Rage...

...

Okay.

Pylon Tests and Brutes do not work. Pylon Tests are their greatest strength. Why do you think Brutes were largely excluded from those tests? Long fights are where Brutes shine, and as such they are not considered the same as Scrappers (and Stalkers) in regard.

This is not to say I believe Super Strength doesn't need to nerfed. It does. Rage needs to work only for Super Strength powers, which a damage bonus increase to make up for it, since SS with out abusing Rage in Secondary/Patron attacks is pretty lackluster.

Titan Weapons is a set I do think could use some tweaks, but... it's hard to say HOW. Titan Weapons is actually a good set even with out momentum (Superior to Broadsword, at the very least. And Broadsword is considered fairly average). WITH Momentum it's... retarded.

But I'm one of the people that will say Brutes can't be judged in the same manner, but still agree that SS (Rage) needs a nerf, and TW needs tweaks.

It's regarded as the best primary for damage, and arguably the best Dominator primary by a good margin. Definitely not just 'decent' either way, heh!

Of course they're just a theory. Theories are not proofs, ever. Hell, most of modern science is a theory, but a commonly accepted one. Until it is field-tested, it is a theory. A powerful theory due to the nature of Pylon Tests being just executed math, but still a theory.

In THEORY, Street Justice will be performing well above the next step up. This is bad, so it is a theory that NEEDS to be tested. If only because Martial Arts probably shouldn't be losing to anything due to, well, it sacrificed everything for Single Target.

Is this an issue? Not a MASSIVE one, but outliers always need to be kept under a careful gaze.

Correction, Very Soon™.

Also slated for this month.

Also, re; AoE's. Not so much. It has a PBAoE and a standard cone. Nothing amazing but pretty good for Stalkers. It's STDPS is pretty... average, to say the least. It'll most likely be an Above Average set, going by the beta testing I performed. I'll first-day purchase it IF I get my desired Naginata, otherwise I may wait and see if we get a Staff Fighting Pack 1.

But yeah, it's going to be Average/Above Average STDPS, and AoE probably High for a Stalker Primary, although Kinetic Melee and Electric Melee are Still Better, and StJ is YMMV.

And I'm saying that if you include a margin of error with all the years of gathered info, it is not illogical, nor impossible, to go purely off math. In fact, I did that with Beast Mastery on beta, and people called me out for it. (Although I did field testing, which I regretted since I was, you know, positive.)

I ended up being right and not a SINGLE person has spoken up since then. So, I know what I'm talking about. IF there is a long basis of trial and error and you have sufficient data and information, you CAN base performance purely off of numeric testing, and not field. Is Field Testing superior? Of course it is.

But writing off anything else is just ignorant, ESPECIALLY with Pylon Tests.

I'm also well aware Stalkers aren't terribly beating Scrappers, and I'm not saying they were. But it's still pretty early in Stalker 3.0's lifetime. We'll have to Wait and See.

Although I still totally support the AS normalization.

Nope. Just makes me think your fetish is getting a little too obvious, though! >_>

Not so much squishy anymore, truth be told.

Only you would look for such details, Leo_G. Only you.

I won't 'get off it', but I do agree other sets could use some looking at. I also feel it is a major minority issue compared to the Blaster disparity. So, that's that.

Also, Ninja Blade? Hrm.

Better than Martial Arts AoE with more ST DPS. Balance?

As long as you acknowledge that wasn't the reason why any of us are upset Beast Mastery was released first. It was clearly not a complete set, caused a rather critical AI script error, and amongst other things was just underperforming.

Although I have a sneaking suspicion ZombieMan MAY be pointing at me about one of his posts involving vocalization, but I digress and still insist I was right in the end, although I should have initiated PM's and not really cared what the community thought, since I Ended Up Being Right Anyway And It Proved To Be A Giant Waste Of Everyone's Time.

That all said, if they HAD to choose a set to release, it SHOULD have been the one not packed with a critical AI error, poor performance, and even poorer testing. Yes, I am calling out the beta testers that just looked at the cute doggies and kitties and said "GOOD TO GO", and not the testers that actually bothered combing the set with needles until it shed it's skin, looked at what made it tick, and pointed it out.

... Sadly Beast Mastery lacked that treatment >_> It was NOT ready to go live.

History of MM primaries being released and borking up the AI of pets is noteworthy. Demons did it back in Going Rogue, and Beast Mastery has now done it. If you go by the obvious pattern, yeah. It's hard to suggest they weren't the cause of shenanigans.

Also, was that second half needed? It may be an in-joke, I guess?

It's a Praetorian Zone. Of course it's Co-Op! You'd think WWD would put the fear of death into villains who think it's a Good Idea to try to stake out into the world and try to rule and/or destroy it themselves. I'm almost positive the entire world rallied, stopped Wade's armies, and he's currently getting mind-probed by one of the most powerful psychics in the world.

I do hope this stays the vocal minority of villains who feel they are not villainous enough. That road, as shown thus far, ends in death and shame. Besides, the game is still called 'City of Heroes: Freedom'. Villains probably need to accept that their route is split between anti-hero and villain, and not the diabolical insanity some wish they were.

Again, WulaWade. Take that route, you will die. Or you're a Sue-Villain who MUST win and in that case, again. WulaWade, you WILL die. He was the prime Sue-Villain and HE DIEEEED~! (Sort of.)

On the flipside, their Pandora's Box does sound interesting and maybe they'll keep the SSA's truly split this time. As much as I love seeing villains NOT be villains, I suppose that minority needs their 'fix' so they don't feel like they're unloved.

That said, I tend to look at the co-op zones as less "HEROES AND VILLAINS MUST WORK TOGETHER" and more "It's mechanically easier to do it this way. We'll have the story be used to suggest a 'group of villains' are doing it their way and a 'group of heroes' are doing it another. If you don't like that, don't team with each other and pretend they aren't there.".

The extreme cases of Dark Astoria and Rikti War Zone are obviously "We NEED to work together or we're ALL screwed", and even super villains in comics have been well aware that when something beyond them turns around the corner, it's better to fight as one, then be divided and fall.

If they're the "WORLD MUST BURN" types... don't run the content and you're obviously never going to get that sort of content in a game still called 'City of Heroes'.

Never understood why those types of villains are sometimes desired. Pretty one-dimensional and I just went on a random tangent for NO REASON.

Praetoria Zone. Neutral Territory. Going to be co-op. Deal with it.

/Shades.

Okay.

Going to invite as many people as I can to let me know if this was considered 'rude'. Be right back.

... I made a joke, you took it out of context and went totally rude. Don't justify yourself, because you're in the wrong.

3% HP is suddenly bad.
10% Recharge is suddenly bad.
2.52% in the two most common damage types plus the two most lethally exotic is bad. Admittedly not GREAT but BAD?

I wasn't questioning you in the end. I was making a joke because the 10% Recharge is generally considered to be worth 2 Billion in total IO's to slot in, in many of the most extremely 'overpowered' builds. And we're suddenly in a place where that bonus is considered 'bad'. Thus, I made an obviously joking statement.

Again, you're in the wrong. You got rude, you got angry, you got aggressive. You wanted to start a fight, you aren't getting one.

And that's the end of that exchange.

Woah now. Someone got horribly angry. I wasn't even going to debate it and was just remarking on the fact you (all?) seem to think that..

2) 4% Damage for the MM - Admittedly not very good
3) 3% HP - This is WOAH.
4) 10% Global Recharge - Godlike
5 and 6) Nobody Cares you 4 set'd the best bonus. Although 2.52% Smashing/Lethal/Toxic/Psionic is not remotely bad.

But we all value things differently. Although you can easily slot 4 of those and still manage a proc if you intelligently slot, my response to your over aggressiveness and flat-out rude behavior?



;P I still say the bonuses are not remotely bad. They're actually, aside from one, all extremely potent.

I live in a City of Heroes where 10% Global Recharge is bad.

Going to go cry myself to sleep.

Ahhh.

Grow up.

My apologies. I forgot Auroxis is known for making err- wait. You know better than to say someone else is wrong just because they didn't post a video on it. If Auroxis says his StJ build is 450 Theoretical if he doesn't miss Crushing Uppercuts, and is at least 400 DPS in a worse-case scenario, you can't deny that unless you can prove otherwise because pylons are simple math tests. And yes, that's 450 DPS In a perfect scenario where Crushing Uppercut and Assassin's Strike aren't being picky. Which is why its 420 with margin for error, and 400 if everything keeps going wrong, last I checked.

Ask Auroxis yourself.

Your response?

This. Why are these issues being ignored?

I have. And StJ is beating them by a large enough margin. The most recent Stalker DB build I saw was 320-340 DPS. STJ was hitting 350 on it's LOW END, and 420 on it's High End (theoretical). That's a fairly large disparity, and it's all entirely due to Crushing Uppercut.

Keep in mind that Dual Blades has two of the better attacks in the game with Ablating Strike and Sweeping Strike. It SHOULD be performing well.

For having literally no AoE, MA isn't really ahead of StJ anymore, if at all. EM is not remotely close to either, if memory serves. It wasn't in last place, but it's definitely at Dead Average in ST Damage now. I do believe the recent Stalker changes DID put StJ above MA if only because of forcing CU to crit now. And the synergy the unique AS that StJ has in combination with CU.

StJ got the biggest buffs from this due to how the set operated. Although Electric Melee is certainly a power house too, it's held back by 50% Criticals all over the place. (IIRC).