Reppu

Why you do this, Zyphoid? Why you agree with Khasei? Why you try to justify him? How does an elongated word come off as serious?

Why, Zyphoid? Why you do this?

But, you're guilty of doing the same thing. You can't chastise when you do it.

Call it blind optimism then.

Left the rest of your post out. Ending our back and forth.

Ugh. You thought that to be a realistic personal attack? Khasei, stop it. Now you're just trolling. Again, actually. No one drags a word out so far and is being remotely serious. Although you really were just trying to stir things up and ran away. Your own admittance, too.

... And I am standing up for them. You're flatly ignoring posts now >_>. You know what? I'm joining the popular opinion when it comes to your posts, now.

This thread has been a mess since the original post, I'm sorry. It's ludicrous to even think Scrappers need anything at all, just because Stalkers finally deal more single target damage than them.

And if the excuse is a unique inherit power, then they better overhaul the other three Critical Damage inherit powers as well.

Either way, we agree, but you disagree with me deciding that nearly 30 pages of back and forth can easily end if I force the opposite party to actually give evidence this is a real problem. If they can't do that, this argument cannot exist.

'Threatening' with the forum rules is just realistic of the fact they need to be enforced. Unless the issue IS LEGITIMATE and NEEDS ATTENTION, it will be reported. If it's something that very well threatens the game, then let it be known. Hell, I've done the same with Beast Mastery, which is a legitimate issue. I'd be a hypocrite to report a post that is legitimate.

Thus, my challenge; prove it to be legitimate. The request is difficult, but it may not be impossible. Even answering one or two of those will be sufficient.

Then what is the purpose of this thread? Most people disagree with the OP. Is it for the sake of argument? That's ugh.

1A) So... you're directly attacking me. Noted.

2A) You're right, he absolutely cannot. It is actually a somewhatnotreally clever way to convince him to convince himself there is nothing wrong, and this entire 'crusade' is a fraud. I hate exposing my intentions so soon, but what's done is done. Making an impossible situation that demands one to examine their argument is key to winning in a debate that can't normally be won; make the other side defeat themselves.

3A) Read 2A for that, really. I don't want to obliterate his posts until he realizes how wrong he has been, or is given a chance of self-reflection to realize it. Nothing is gained from immediate censoring. It should always be a last resort.

4A) See above.

5A) Then you had no reason to personally attack me and just dragged this all out, yes?

Cowaaaaaaaaaard. Fight for your beliefs or don't claim to have them!

Ahhh. An attempt to use ad hominem where there isn't any. (If you didn't intend to suggest I AM using ad hominem, apologies. But due to your post structure and wording, it seems you are.) Sorry, but I'm not defacing Geko's argument by attacking his person. I am demanding him to actually provide evidence for his continued-to-be-posted-in-every-thread-related-to-Stalkers-or-Scrappers-ever-argument-that-Scrappers-are-in-danger. Or whatever he's arguing, as it tends to get bogged down.

As it is, I have gone back through this thread. All it is is "Scrappers are not unique". I'm demanding to know why this is a vital issue demanding to be spread across the forums in clear violation to the rules. And since I have been told to follow the rules religiously, I feel obligated to do the same.

Moreover, you're contradicting yourself. You say there is justification in enforcing the rules, but it is childish to do so? I am giving him a chance to prove his post ISN'T breaking the rules by answering those questions. If his cause is righteous, he needs to make it more obvious. As it stands, it is in violation to the rules unless there is a legitimate reason. If there isn't, then it's just a violation.

I believe in people having chances to explain their actions and choices. Is this wrong? You make it sound like it's wrong for people to have a chance. I don't agree with this. I am giving Geko his chance to provide evidence and fact for his argument, before I pass my own personal judgment and begin my own 'crusade' against his posts.

As a closing to this post; you were using ad hominem against me. Just saying.

Try not to insult people.

You know what? I have a good way to ultimately expose this thread, then.

EvilGeko, I am calling you out. At this point, if you cannot, in a comprehensive and detailed manner, fully and entirely explain, BEYOND a shadow of a doubt, that the recent Stalkers buff, and any other related factors, make Scrappers ALL OF THE FOLLOWING, you will get full support for your, dubbed, 'crusade'.

Fail to do so, and I will do everything I can to make sure your posts are obliterated in context to Rule 5 of the Forum Rules.


Criteria:

1) Is AT_Name_Here performance threatening Scrapper viability? Specifically viability, not 'unique niche'.
2) If 1 is untrue, is AT_Name_Here performance threatening Scrapper performance? That is, due to AT_Name_Here, Scrappers will no longer be able to perform their role sufficiently?
3) Does AT_Name_Here's existence mean Scrappers will have difficulty finding teams and be less desired, due to 'something better exists, we don't need you!'?
4) Does Scrapper's lack of a Specifically Unique mechanic threaten Scrapper viability?
5) Does Scrapper's lack of a Specifically Unique mechanic threaten Scrapper performance?

I have more, but these are specific enough. Remember the rule; BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.

I can think of two reasons.

1) In-Game Reason: Cole's Pride, as well as the Well. Cole may very well not wish to use such a power, because he feels, as Champion, he doesn't need to resort to such 'trickery'. He can simply rely on his overwhelming might and 'I am Good. I am Justice. You are Evil. You are Injustice!'. The Well simply wants the most powerful to protect it, thusly it wants both sides at full power.

2) Design Reason: Two different fights using the same gimmick is poor design.

Noted. Thank you for that. Now then, as for the relevant information..

It's not Scrappers. I'm not even mentioning Scrappers. This is a specific Stalker-deserving nerf, because they have Assassin's Strike to make up for StJ's normally 'above average' to 'great' attacks, with basically Energy Transfer that can Crit backing it up.

Scrappers don't get that. They have to deal with those good to great attacks, and then have Crushing Uppercut. On top of that, they can't force criticals/have a lower critical rate.

With the upcoming normlization, StJ AS is going to be better, by a .20 margin. This, in DPS tests? Is large enough to worry me further. Crushing Uppercut on Stalkers is just 'too much'. For Stalkers, it is their most powerfully criting ability. This is on top of StJ having more than prominent AoE (people arguing otherwise, really guys? It has two AoEs, both hitting more than hard enough).

The most powerful Critical attack of the Stalker Primaries, plus Assassin's Strike, plus having all 'good' attacks, PLUS the Assassin's Strike and Crushing Uppercut synergy is simply too strong. A flat 50% Critical Damage nerf would probably just be way too much. And I never agreed with 50% Critical Damage anyway. Even 75% may be too much. Maybe 90%? I don't know.

The options are to reduce the flat critical damage of Crushing Uppercut, or reducing the base damage and pumping more into combo damage. This will tone the set down a bit, considering the sheer advantages the patch gave to StJ.

StJ ends up having...

1) Post Normalization, one of the best ST Damage attacks in the game, can critical hit, provides 2 combo points for Crushing Uppercut
2) The best critically damaging (and one of the best DPA), attacks in the game, which can be force-critical'd with an easily available IO. I do not accept "But not everyone uses IO's" argument, because this IS an IO performance argument. Crushing Uppercut getting a slight nerf in light of this, SPECIFICALLY FOR STALKERS, would not harm SO builds in the least. They can't abuse CU, and the slight loss in critical damage wouldn't be as nearly concerning to them. Although I do feel this analysis can even be noteworthy on SO builds.
3) Two AoE's, which is one to two more than many Stalker Sets (And beats the other ST Damage giant, Martial Arts, by 2).

The sheer power and synergy of the set is something to consider. But, if anyone feels "IO's shouldn't matter", I really can't agree with that in this case, as noted above. The Stalker Hide Proc is too easy to get, Stalker Critical Rate can easily be 30% in a team, and it's not even difficult to force crits with out that proc.

It all comes together into "This set does absolutely everything right, and many things better than other sets."

Is it by a large enough margin? I feel it is.

Is it a major concern? Probably not. But, it will be if there ever is a decision to do global 'underperforming set' buffs. StJ for Stalkers it NOT where I want that line drawn. As someone who appreciates legitimate difficulty, and the devs having this seemingly increasing acknowledge of IO level performance, I feel leaving StJ as it is, regardless of the future, is dangerous.

I stress this is Stalker Specific, due to how the AT can effortlessly abuse criticals, with or with out IO Assistance. The other StJ capable ATs do not need this addressed, as with out Assassin's Strike, their Crushing Uppercut is not nearly the goliath Stalker StJ is.

I was being entirely serious, but if you say it was mostly sarcasm, then pardon me. But... yeah. You went off a Johnny-styled rant there.

Sarcasm noted.

Don't mention the comics. It pisses 'True RPers' off to extremes you wouldn't believe.

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It does.

Unless the art team badly overdid it, you can easily make out the entire view of Nova Praetoria from the stream. That was definitely not localized to the dead center. At the very least, Nova Praetoria got wiped out.

Again, unless the art team badly overdid it, Nova Praetoria is toast. Imperial City and Neutropolis may be okay, but... yeah. I would be dumbfounded if ONLY Nova Praetoria's center square got blown up and everything else was just dusty. That would be a LUDICROUS overblow of the trial then.

I didn't know you had an alternate account, Johnny!

>_>

Since you left out all context, Johnny, let me support the Stalker Forums for a moment. The Stalker Forums feel ALL underforming Melee sets need to be buffed at this point, but it's not a priority issue. Everyone acknowledges, at least people who aren't Johnny, that Blasters and Ranged Sets need to be addressed, as again, Fire Blast is only equal to the rough average of damage of melee sets.

It's logical that people would want underperforming sets like Spines to get looked at in the near future. THAT is what the Stalker Forums are saying, while you make it sound like "HURRR WE NEED MOAR BUFFS GUIZ".

They want universal melee set balance, Johnny.

Both quotes you provided were before my statement on the 28th (25th and 26th respectively), which... just makes it seem like you actually don't care that I'm trying and are just bringing up old wounds in an attempt to prove yourself 'right'.

In posts beyond the 28th, I've expressed outliers need to be toned down, so you don't overbuff underpowered sets. You should NOT buff up to an Outlier. I do not support 'everything should be overpowered', because I LIKE a challenge with out artificial Nintendo Hard crap put in to try to inflate the difficulty balloon to unsustainable levels.

You must nerf the outliers slightly, then buff everything to that new level of power. If you buff all melee sets to StJ/Titan Weapons, you make Ranged Damage even MORE useless, as Fire Blast is EQUAL to an AVERAGE Melee set, which means you'd have to buff ALL of them to atleast Titan Weapons!

I'll cease this conversation due to your blatant disrespect. That was beyond the line of duty.

Awww. I was going to immortalize your post because it was the best thing EVER.

That said, right. Good for Union having a 'serverwide' time line. Although I'll always say Virtue is superior anyway.

PS: I DID SAVE YOUR QUOTE FOR ETERNITY~

Relax, Nalrok. Don't start a fight. I'm free to comment that CoX RPers DO have a history of not adapting to things they do not like. Because it's true. It's commented on and made public often.

It's all in good fun. People RP their way, I RP my way. That's the problem or perk to having individualism and openness, I suppose.

PS: You're getting uppity because other people are getting uppity so take it elsewhere etc etc see how this works it's dumb.

MA was tested extensively pre-buff, so we know they still exist. By all means, post theoretical chains.

You didn't even read what you quoted. No where did I say the older sets didn't need buffs. Don't quote something that has no context to your post, please.

Except Follow Up also has a very short duration. So does Blinding Feint. Power Siphon HAS to keep using Kinetic Melee attacks or you can't sustain it, so this is your worst example given so far.

Again, you're using a bad strawman argument to try to convince me Rage does not need a nerf, even though IT and IT ALONE is what brings those numbers so high. Rage + Sets not balanced around it = broken as sin. Gloom isn't balanced around Rage, so the perma +80% Damage steroids it. it steroids any damage aura. it steroids burn. Etc etc etc.

Rage is +80% for 120 Seconds, with it's only gimmick being it's short crash.

Power Siphon has to use Kinetic Melee attacks or it won't be saturated.

Build Up and Aim don't last long enough, and aren't that influential on damage performance anyway.

Follow Up and Blinding Feint give much smaller bonuses, don't last as long as Rage, and aren't nearly the same level of problem. Also, BOTH suffer from Redraw, so you lose damage should you alternate off them.

'We' is not the term I use, really. I accept everything that happens, right then and there, as canon. When it hits live, it's canon. I just have a decent suspension of disbelief when it comes to Statesman still being present in content, because that's just how an MMO works. So... yeah. You do it your way, I do it my way.

If it's live, it's canon. End of story.

Are you nuts? These are the same RPers who have to ignore incarnate content and powers because 'WE DO NOT LIKE IT SO WE HAVE NOT INCARNATE POWERS!'. Granted this isn't a BAD idea, but roleplayers in CoX will refuse to adapt. And have in the past. Pretty sure a lot of 'canonical' stuff is thrown out the window.

Quote the forum rule that prohibits the discussion of game balance, please.

In response, and in my defense, I say only the following;

You do know what assuming things makes you look like, right?