Reppu

That would be it, exactly. I should have just said that but tl;dr lazy.

No. I mean, it has an inherit 10 second cooldown. It cannot mechanically activate more than once per ten seconds, regards of other circumstances. It's a hard-coded limit.

Reading what Synapse said, I can see how it can be confusing? IIRC another post later confirms it works as I said, and I've done a LOT of testing to confirm that. But maybe it's quirky?

Edit: At least I SWEAR he has been quoted saying it's basically a 10 second hard cap? I'd like to point out "If memory serves..."

All things said and done, I am fairly, if not entirely, positive of my claim.

Why do people keep asking this?! You don't even play on Virtue! I think? Ugh. I haven't had anything recently taken with the new look. Wait... I think I can work with this.

Ahem!



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I have delivered exactly that which was asked. Reppu (FAIAP), in a bikini. A request that will be given only once!

Considering this is the City of Heroes forums, I can only assume you wanted Paragon City Reppu! Thusly, Mission Complete!

That statement is untrue unless the Brute or Scrapper is TW/Fire, or the Brute is SS/Fire, and the Stalker is EM (ALL the AoE plus having great ST thanks to AS), KM (100% Damage 100% Critical Burst. Add in Fireball for AoE that makes Brutes and Scrappers envious) or StJ (Spinning Strike is sufficient. Sweeping Cross is decent).

You weren't as clear as you thought you were, is the only problem I see. Sorry. Being wrong twice is rough.

I'd suggest the same to you. Stalkers didn't 'pay' for anything for their buffs. They took no survivability losses (they GAINED survivability by a good margin).

Keep in mind dealing more damage is ALSO more survivability. But I mean the +HP Cap was a HUGE buff.

You failed here.

That was your answer. MA survives off Storm Kick. That's how it's DPS is even remotely comparable.

MA NEEDS Storm Kick to perform. Period. Storm Kick carries the entire set. Crippling Axe Kick is solid, and Crane Kick/Cobra Strike are decent.

It absolutely needs Storm Kick as low of a cooldown as possible to perform.

StJ, while it does survive off of Crushing Uppercut, still has (although not as good as CU, obviously), Sweeping Cross while CU is on cooldown. I believe a DPS comparison was done once, and I'll try to hunt it down. Regardless, even then, BrandX? I still do not accept that IO's are being ignored any longer. They are sold in the Market, they are gotten with all types of merits, and the devs SEEM, SEEM SEEM SEEM, to consider them more and more.

If I recall, StJ still leads even at SO levels. Oh, and it still has AoE, which is very important in teams because you need AoE to clear out trash before it becomes overwhelming.

PS: 'It's a paid for set it MUST perform'. StJ wasn't overbuffed. It was the unfortunate consequence of an AT overhaul. Adjusting it for the sake of game balance does not hurt the set. It will STILL perform amazingly well due to it's insane synergy.

However, sets like Beast Mastery, Dual Pistols, and other 'technically paid for sets' that are flatly BAD? DO need to be addressed. Since Fire Blast is equal to rough average melee sets, that means in the line of Damage Sets, Dual Pistols is near the bottom of the barrel. We didn't pay for that underperformance. And Beast Mastery is just a mess.

You seem to have the wrong idea of what this stance is. Also, nice use of continuous ad hominem to deface my case. You're arguably not worth the time explaining to, but I always try to educate once before passing someone off.

Hint: "lol you're bad at PVP and are mad at stalkers." is the example of ad hominem. You can avoid it in the near future now.

Moving on now...

... Actually, you don't do anything to really counter my argument besides ad hominem and praising how 'overpowered' certain things are.

As and aside, this chain? Doesn't work.

BU->AS->CS->BU->B/FB!

10 Second Inherit Cooldown on that proc. Probably the only thing really keeping Stalkers from exploding into insanity. That said, not really the point here. Kinetic Melee's potential is limited due to that. Thankfully.

But... yeah. You're more or less just saying that it's okay Stalkers are overpowered now because they use to be weaker than Brutes and Scrappers before. That... really isn't okay. Granted Stalkers are NOT overpowered. Street Justice just has documented potential to be beyond an outlier, and flatly 'overpowered'.

Is it possible it isn't? It is, but there's people who were against the idea, and are now beginning to accept and realize that "Okay, this thing is potentially too strong. We should probably keep an eye on it with extensive testing."

Reiska, who was strongly against it before, also acknowledges if StJ is beating Martial Arts in direct Single Target, that is NOT a good thing. And it's already suggested Dual Blades is doing so. This is ALSO not a good thing.

Certain sets, StJ especially, benefited far more from the AS changes than other sets. StJ was balanced around average to above average attacks, and a single massively powerful attack with many perks that other attacks don't have.

Stalker StJ bypassed the need to use the weaker attacks almost entirely, due to how their AS gives two combo points and is one of the best attacks in the game.

It's not even a case of "Well Kinetic Melee is better on Stalkers and Scrappers due to their unique Concentrated Strike mechanics.", it's "Stalker StJ fundamentally bypasses the balance choices of the set. This is likely NOT working as intended."

It's a combination of all the Stalker changes fueled into the core properties of this specific set that is "Dangerous". I am not denying the other powerful contenders for Single Target Damage (DB and MA), but if StJ is too far ahead, it's a big concern and it likely does need to scale back. I am not asking for global Stalker nerfs, only that an outlier is scaled back and then the other melee sets can see improvements.

As it stands, many people agree on one fact; Martial Arts gave up everything to be King of Single Target. It DESERVES to retain that title. You can't simply buff Martial Arts to attain this, as it's already a VERY strong set. It got Power Creeped, and you need to address that creep. MA leads in STDPS on most other ATs, and yet kept (one of the better in the game actually) it's AoE.

On Stalkers, it tossed it out due to their odd mechanics choice back in Issue 6. A shame but a reality.

Could you drop one of the pointless ST attacks and replace it with Dragon's Tail? Sure. Not Thunder Kick, though. Nope. That needs to stay, sorry. It has to be Crane Kick or Cobra Strike.

Would that fix the issue? No. Martial Arts should still be competitive, right on the heels, by design. StJ can't lead that far above. Not if you want global melee set buffs... which arguably need to wait until at least the Blast Sets are dressed. They're all mediocre (Fire Blast is equal to rough average Melee Sets, if you don't know how bad it is for the Ranged ATs).

In conclusion, it's simple; StJ benefited far too much from the changes, and went from "High End" to "Dangerous Outlier". Time will tell if it is truly in Overpowered status, but preemptive analysis concludes it is an extreme possibility and needs to be watched very, very carefully.

Again, at the very least? It should not, in MA's current incarnation, out-perform it.

And, it absolutely should not dominate the other sets, by any means. It got too much from the changes. Scaling it back will NOT hurt the AT. People demanding it is left alone are playing StJ (I know for a fact Reiska has a 50 StJ twinked to hell and back, but has acknowledged StJ is too strong now).

That's that.

Thank you for your kind words.

Logic like this is why I want them nerfed. Sorry. Just because 'they were so bad before! (they weren't BTW) it's okay if they're overpowered now!'.

I shall feast on your tears.

Your proposed chain has one flaw, mind.

BB -> SB -> AS -> CS -> BU

This chain? Is impossible unless you get lucky. The proc has a 10 second inherent cooldown. Your chain, once AS is used and procs, is 7.128 seconds. You have a 2.872 delay until the proc can activate again. Thus, that DPS is substantially less.

I am quite aware of that DB build's performance, BUT there is no logical reason StJ can't beat that value. We'll see in the near future, I hope?

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Ignoring that last bit, I'm going to say one thing, Leo_G. I don't think that is what you think it is. As a hedgehog owner... yeah.

... You're thinking just a wee bit too far south.

Then why did you pull numbers out of your butt like that? You seriously... that entire post was just... what. BrandX, don't do things like that. That doesn't help your argument what so ever.

And how much do you think Reactive and Musculature add?! Do you honestly believe they add >140 DPS<?!

You are aware that video did not use Lore Pets, right? Which CAN steroid DPS that high. But Musculature and Reactive are NOT worth 140 DPS.

... This is just proof you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, BrandX.

Hypocrite.

Even if most of my 50's are Scrappers, I still can't agree with this ;P

Well, like me, you at least acknowledge that. It's at least something, in the end.