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So you admit you want a direct rip off of Palutena's Bow? Shameless.

More specifically, the Bow of Light was never originally supposed to do what it does due the more 'modern' take on Kid Icarus. Even further, let's be honest; the Bow of Light is no longer a 'bow'. Pit fires 'Arrows of Light', yes, but that effect is purely cosmetic and it simply a burst of light energy in a shape that amuses the 'bow-like' shape the twin blades hold into.

If anything Palutena's Bow is more like Palutena's Squall at this point, while Pit fires Spirit Gun shots out of index finger.

Either way, Bow Melee has always been one of those things I rolled my eyes at, personality. I also don't even have many sources of them being anything note-worthy in history (feel free to correct me), and seem to just be a spawn of the "PUT BLADES ON EVERYTHING" phase of life.

If nothing else, it'd be TERRIBLY unwieldy and the bow would take massive performance penalties due to the (pointless) additional weight.

Really, just do the Monster Hunter route; very study and deadly arrows that, if needed, can be used as improvised melee weapons.

But really, bladed bows are pretty dumb. Kill it before it reaches you.

That. You knew it was way over the top. You could have easily guessed this was not working as intended. And logically, you INITIALLY bought it for one of two reasons.

1) An easy Performance Shifter
2) You heard from a friend it had 3 PPM and knew EVERY well that was outrageous.

No sympathy.

No. I want a quote saying that it is, confirmed, to be replacing Celestial. They've already shown expanding a tier is possible (AKA: Tier 9 and Tier VIP).

I want a quote confirming that it is being replaced, because somebody claimed it was fact.

Can you quote this?

Somebody did the comparison of damage for me. Moving on, let me put emphasis on something; they weren't soloing GM's due to individual. You were soloing GM's for the reason YOU said with Envenomed Dagger: -Regen. And Regen is not equal to damage for anything but... GMs and other HP sponges.

You just don't get it and are just pulling weak excuses out now. Debuffs also do not only work for the caster; they work for the team. That 'Corruptor' who is supposedly 'insta-gibbing spawns' (which you're still lying about) is boosting YOUR damage as well. You get an equal amount of damage from THEIR powers. So please don't even go there.

And really, you're one of those people that says being able to solo a GM by abusing -Regen = DPS?

MA's pretty up there for Single Target, actually. But that's just Storm Kick being a beast. Also, you could easily swap out the uselessness that is Thunder Kick for Crane and Cobra and do infinitely more damage, I imagine. Or is that not a chainable?

Edit: Also, Fire Blast isn't out of line. The other Blast Sets are just, flatly, garbage for damage with poor secondary effects as faux justification. Fire Blast is the only reason why Ranged Damage is even on the radar. Everything else is really performing poorly and this is due to the Melee Power Creep and Melee Buffs in general. I think the last time Blast Sets got looked at was Archery way back when.

So no, Fire being out of line isn't overpowered.

Sounds like Judgment Powers to me, and not the average Ranged AoE set. IE: Not Fire Blast. IE: Not Rain of Arrows Shenanigans. Because I know for a fact you're hyperboling like mad about 2 Blasters or 2 Corruptors instan-gibbing every single spawn because you can get into melee. As a Scrapper. One of the more survivable AT's in the game. The AT that should jump in, eat the dang Alpha, and AoE everything so the Squishier Ranged AT's can Debuff and Blast in peace.

Those people who are NOT instantly wiping out a spawn before you attack.

Sorry, Judgment Powers don't count because... you get to use them.

Rain of Arrows is an Outlier and Archery isn't that popular.

Fire Blast's major AoE is heavily DoT based.

It's... it's like you're trying to advocate the Ranged Sets being underperforming because Judgment powers are ranged and Rain of Arrows is stupid.

I have to agree with that quote in your signature now. This was quite the gem.

Their AoE is better than Katana (the margin isn't as large as you'd hope aside from Corruptors, by the way), but their Single Target really isn't aside from Specific and Extreme Circumstances (Read: Keeping Spiderlings alive).

So... no not really. That Fire Corruptor really isn't doing THAT much more damage. Maybe in the enviroment of AoE damage if you focus PURELY on AoE damage (Which is a flaw. Two years ago I'd agree AoE is all that matters, but Single Target importance is on a rise), but that isn't what a Power Set is defined by.

Fire Blast has Great ST and Great AoE. For a Blast Set.

Katana has a Good Single Target and Good AoE. For a Melee Set.

Fire Blast's ST isn't that much ahead of or equal to Katana.

Fire Blast's AoE is superior to Katana.

Katana is an Average Melee Set.

Fire Blast is the best Ranged Damage Set in the game (and arguably the best Ranged Set in the game because, again, most Ranged Secondary Effects are not worth the Damage and Blaze is one of the few T3 blasts that doesn't suck read; is probably overpowered but is actually pretty average now due to the melee power creep.)

This? Is not balanced.


Edit: Oh, and if anyone even attempts to say "OH but they can deal damage from ranged so it's k' if they do an average of 50% less damage.", you KNOW you're wrong for even suggesting that. Being able to engage in combat a whole 1 second sooner is not worth that damage difference.

If they buffed everything to Fire's level of damage, everything would be doing Average Melee Set Damage. Don't believe me? Tough, you read the forums enough to go find the threads yourself. Fire Blast is Bloody Average in the long-term of damage dealing sets.

Moreover, try to quote me and not assume you remember what I said. I said a Controller, once they've Controlled, should be dealing damage. When you've locked down a spawn, are you just going to go AFK for thirty seconds while the damage dealers clean up?

No! Deal damage! Or, if your support set is Active (Read: Time. Just Time, really), keep doing other stuff! But otherwise, nine times out of ten you better be dealing damage.

It's like those Empathy Defenders who take no attacks and assume they're only there to support. No, you're there to get kicked from the team so hard you fall into a Triple Hami Bloom.

So no, I'm sorry Claws. Let's review the AT's that get Fire Blast.

Defenders: Support/Ranged Damage AT. Note that second part. No, I'm sorry. This is not a "Support AT". This is a "Support/Ranged Damage" AT. In fact. Support/Ranged Damage.

I made it as obvious as I can, because people tend to ignore that last bit. When you're done supporting/debuffing, you better be dealing damage. Again, kicked so hard you'll land in a Triple Hami Bloom.

Corruptors: Ranged Damage/Support - Went ahead and put the emphasis there. As a Corruptor, you're there to deal damage. Your support is your secondary (and obviously your opening because derp). But you need to deal damage. Guess which is the only mildly useful Primary for Corruptors to deal actually competitive damage? Yeah, that one.

Blasters: Garbage/Garbage - Okay that's not nice but you know what I mean.

I won't get into Controllers. They have Containment. Their damage is deceptively high. When you have nothing else to do (often), deal damage or get out of the team. You have no reason not to. This? This was the point I was stressing. If you're done controlling, you can deal your Containment Damage like a Boss.

Like. A. Bawss.

And I'm sorry, the pathetic Secondary Effects of the other sets (Sonic Blast nonwitstanding ON DEFENDERS) is not worth Fire Blast's superior damage. It's not even the additional DoT Damage; Fire Blast is superior even ignoring that.

And, yes Claws. You can only fix the Melee Power Creep by buffing Ranged Sets. Or do you want to see the cosmic backlash of nerfing Titan Weapons and Street Justice, like I've been advocating? It won't happen, so we need buffs.

Fire Blast is equal to an average Melee Set right now. It SHOULD be "High End". It should be dealing damage roughly below Street Justice (and obviously Titan Weapons), because they shouldn't do QUITE as much damage as melee sets.

Everything else needs to be a degree or so lower than Fire Blast, but not radically so. Again, most of those secondary effects? Are pretty bad.

There's absolutely no reason why Fire Blast is roughly equal to Katana levels of performance when you get down to fully comparing them (maybe somewhat ahead, I don't remember the exact difference but Fire Blast was comparable to Katana, and Katana is Average Melee with the recent creepings of StJ/Titan Weapons/MA Buffs/Dual Blades/Kinetic Melee/Etc).

You buff Fire Blast to High End Melee, but not above that.

You buff everything else Above Average/Average depending on the set. They should get Fairly Close to Fire Blast but NEVER above Fire Blast. We're talking like maybe a 10% total damage difference, or so. The secondary effects aren't worth THAT much but it needs to be considered.

Oh, and Normalize the Range 40 Tier 3 Blasts. Seriously.



TL;DR - Corruptors are there to deal damage and support. Defenders are there to support and deal damage. Blasters are there to die. Controllers are there to deal damage when they've done their controlling/supporting as needed. If any of these AT's are failing to deal damage (sans Blasters, they're there to die), after performing their designated tasks, they're not performing at peak optimization and need to get intimate with Hamidon.