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So you can make mistakes and it's 'kay? Hrm. Also, you actually need to quote that part you claim is true, still.

Pot, meet the Kettle.

I know it's painful to lose your own generated 'competition', but try to be mature about it.

More than once in a row. Interpretation is a queer aspect, isn't it? Regardless, you are being rather rude about this whole exchange. Do you have something to prove? Or are you just being aggressive because I use to be aggressive and that's a validation to be aggressive?

It helps to be nice, you know.

Moreover, you were the one who made a critical error claim. You said, and it's been quoted, you can miss multiple times with a 95% hit chance due to that 5% hit chance. That's an impossibility in the interpretation you did not clarify as "in a row". That was your own mistake, not mine.

Ultimately, calm down.

Also, do quote where I said Titan Weapons is "The top set", and not "Top tier" in this conversation? I'm very curious.

Spoiler Alert: I didn't.

In fact, have a quote that applies to you, now.

You must be an oracle, if you correctly guessed how much that applies to you right now.

PS: It's a shame your petty viewpoint turned this into a competition. Maybe that's why you're taking this so rage-inducing seriously?

I would, too. It would be the reason why I nuked my TW for my SF. I think Staff is perfectly 'fine' as is. It's very 'average'.

Could it use buffs? Not before Blast sets.

... "Top Tier" and "Top" are the same thing. I did not say "ABSOLUTE BEST EVER MUST NOT COMPARE". Saying something is "Top Tier" and... you're not even making sense.

Next; Streakbreaker denies your logic of constantly missing hit after hit at 95%.

And yes, they must be rare, or I build enough +ACC (And I do) to never miss. And by never I mean "I am not affected by -ToHit unless I'm hit by five Radiations at once." I'll clarify that, before someone goes "NYAAAAAH!"

Between keyboard and chair, I guess.

Well, I did say "maybe". I do remember Machine Gun Imps.

Except my 50 Staff Fighter is the most fun I've had so far.

Hurrrrrrrr.

I'm hyperboling VERY slightly when I respond to posts about "YOU CAN'T HAVE AMAZING ST AND AMAZING AOE THAT IS BROKEN" with "Titan Weapons"... but only slightly. We have more than enough documented proof showing TW hits the top levels of BOTH damage areas, along with large amounts of KD soft mitigation.

So, yeah. Unless we figure out where the balance points lies, I'm going to advocate nerfs or buffs. Or maybe neither now, because someone always gets pissed.

... Odd, considering Plant Control is considered an Outlier.

I guess Fire Control fell off since Fire/Kin got kicked in the gut from the pet recharge adjustments, but I personally enjoy Fire Control when I get around to playing it.

Regardless, it effects all Slow Animation attacks equally. Titan Weapons is filled with them so I guess it artificially hurts them more. 'Thankfully' ToHit debuffs are surprisingly rare. Maybe because dev-side knows NOT hitting is a lot less fun than hitting and doing poor damage.

I never claimed that. Also Street Justice. And IO Dual Blades. But we're getting off the topic more.

I originally wanted Titan Weapons (And Stalker StJ) slightly nerfed because of the massive outlier feeling that was produced by it (them). But I was yelled at for wanting them brought more in line. (Titan Weapons wouldn't be a difficult fix. Much of it's problems lie within Follow Through and Whirling Smash. Adjust them, done. Stalker Crushing Uppercut just needs to do less base, more Combo 3 damage. Fixed. Nerfed with out being nerfed.)

So, I've accepted the Forum Opinion, or at least the Scrapper/Stalker opinion, that everything else needs to be buffed to the outliers, not nerfed to the Average.

APPARENTLY I just ran into the OTHER half of the forums that thinks you need to nerf to the Average, not Buff to the Outliers. I REALLY can't win sometimes.

Personally? I want everything to average out again, be it through global nerfs or global buffs.

That's all.

Relax. It was a generalized statement, and a popular one. Not a personal attack.

Also, I highlighted a major part of your argument, then point out every other 'slow animation' set and ask you this: Where's the justice there?

And, you make it sound like Ageless isn't one of the best Destinies in the game, for a "Perma" +10% Recharge, an immediately full Endurance Bar, and massive recovery that solves endurance problems for it's duration. It's a mini Speed Boost. Sure, it's not Barrier (Which isn't that great because Resistance/Defense cap in Teams isn't hard. At least Defense) or Rebirth (Probably the only other amazing one I feel, aside from Specific Clarion Cases).

That just sounds a lot like the "issues" you brought up with Titan Weapons lies between the keyboard and seat, and less the set itself.

I won't deny Titan Weapons having some ludicrously massive (And warranted) Endurance Costs, but endurance management has been part of the game since the earliest of beta tests, and people know how to adjust that with any build. At the Top Levels of Performance, endurance becomes a very easily managed 'issue'.

Also Ageless.

ToHit debuffs, while painful, affect EVERY set equally. If you're to-hit debuffed to levels where your ability to hit is significantly unreliable, then again, you're just playing two-handed Broadsword while everyone else is also missing as often as you are and are suffering by an equal amount of "No longer doing damage".

That's a baseless argument no Titan Weapons player has taken seriously since it was discovered how 'average' Titan Weapons was WITH OUT Momentum.

Shields hasn't been relevant since the HO fix. Sorry to burst that bubble. Shield's natural DDR is too low, combined with it's lowest-in-game Defense values for a Defensive based set.

I meant an entirely different thread.

But... you are. You're the reason why a developer can't go into an investor meeting and describe an epic tale, filled with content, wonders, and that feeling of 'magic', with out being awkwardly stared at and being in an empty room a few moments later.

The only thing investors are interested now is how far you push cutting-edge technology. Not the story. Not the immersiveness. Not the heart and soul put into it.

So... yeah. Reap what you sow, don't get angry that someone pointed it out.

Titan Weapons.

I said it was fun. I was simply backing up my claim, but also modified it because I made a slight numerical error in my first claim. It happens, I corrected it.

But, yes. I did say it was fun. I also say "Who cares?" If SF gets a random buff, cool.

If not? I don't care.

Titan Weapons.

PS: You still have a post or three to respond to to me, or did you accept you were lying out of your teeth?

Rude much? Assumptions with out evidence are crude. Emphasis on three letters, by the way.

Moving on... DPA for PBAoE's for Scrappers-

Whirling Smash: 80.05

Spinning Strike (Arguably a PBAOE, disregard if desired): 53.62

Dragon's Tail: 47.32

The Lotus Drops: 46.31

Fire Sword Circle: 43.63

And For Fun: Foot Stomp with equal rage to Scrapper base values: 43.28

Spin: 41.19

Typhoon's Edge: 31.28

Eye of the Storm: 30.54 (with no perfection? Willing to argue this is the value you will normally be using. More power to you if you get Perfection 3 before using it.)

Whirling Sword: 30.16

Burst: 29.62

Whirling Mace: 26.54

Spine Burst: 25.87

Whirling Axe: 23.7

My apologies for saying 'worst' (Even if it's categorized, base values, near that). It is "Average", I should have emphasized.

Radius 2 more does help, and if you do Perfection it (And most enemies will be dead at the time you build Perfection 3), it's a bit better. I'm going by the logical standpoint you will NOT have Perfection 3 for it, and still hit near or at it's Maximum 10 enemies.

Yes, I do value DPA over Recharge/Endurance/Such things. Such measures are pointless in the grand scheme of extreme building, and I've already said Staff is fine with out IOs, but has little room to grow with them on Scrappers.

TL;DR - Eye of the Storm is Average. But since the PBAOEs above it are very much marginally superior, while the ones below it are not marginally inferior, it IS "One of the worst PBAoE's in the game" due to Power Creep.

Justified.

Eye of the Storm is one of the 'worst' AoEs in the game. It's damage is pitifully low, and it's Radius wasn't even put at 15 to justify it. It's like a horribly neutered Foot Stomp. It BADLY needed a damage boost, or to be Radius 15.

Guarded Spin is decent, although it suffers from maximum target cap shenanigans.

Innocuous Strikes is Guarded Spin, with slightly higher damage for a slightly higher animation.

Staff's AoE is pretty average. The quantity is there, but the quality isn't.

Staff's Single Target is bloody average (Stalker not included here).

It's an average set that would be a lot better if the AoE's were slightly stronger, be it Radius, Caps, or Damage.

And maybe Serpent's Reach being more of a standard 'heavy hitter', and not 'derp short range' gimmick.

Titan Weapons WITH OUT Momentum is dead average, maybe SLIGHTLY below average. It's roughly Broadsword with out Momentum?

WITH it? Best in game, no comparisons, in EVERY single area of damage. (Outlier cases of Stalker StJ being very RNG polite not considered, due to LolRNG).

Doesn't really do that much damage, though. For it's damage, Radius 15 would not have been unheard of.

But I do know best. You just haven't accepted it yet!