Reiraku
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Quote:Minor correction. PvP participation hit a peak participation level around i6/7 before gradually lowering into just above ten percent as of issue 11, as per Ex Libris. It did hit and hold double digits for some time, but was not a priority issue for the skeleton dev team's limited time.Originally Posted by je_saist
Base Raids and the Cathedral of Pain fitted into the original design scope of the game, when the development staff at Cryptic honestly thought they had to have PvP play in order to draw a successive playerbase from the established MMO's on the market. Market Reality, however, taught a different lesson.
Despite launching PvP play in May 2005, by the time May 2009 rolled around 4 years later, the paying playerbase that participated in PvP content had never left single digit percentages. Quite simply, City of Heroes was proof to the MMO industry that PvP play was not a requirement for a successful MMO... and as NCSoft found out in the financial meltdown of Tabula Rasa... PvP play was not enough to sustain a game either. -
A good regen won't come close to dying against a kat/fire unless he really doesn't know what he's doing. As for dueling, none of the "best" builds are melee, but I believe general concensus around here is either a Fire/Regen scrapper or Fire/SS/Stone Tank
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Quote:Sounds like you had no idea what you were doing then. One didn't need to have an IO'd build to do well pre-i13 (with the exception of the test ladder). Holds stacked well past what a BF could do. The only non-resolved arena match I'd ever seen was between two tanks, and that was to be expected. TS and HD are horrible, and often punish support builds for trying to contribute.Originally Posted by PettyTheftz
I guess I'm in the minority here. I prefer most aspects of the new PvP.
I have gotten used to DR. You don't "have" to have billion inf builds to be somewhat competitive now. I understand how this makes some people angry, gone are the days of buying your wins.
I think the new changes have in some ways made holds/stuns useful, Pre "new" PvP a break-free pretty much invalidated anything my controller could do in PvP other than De buffs , A 6 seconds Hold is better than no hold. Since i13, I play my troller in pvp now, and get kills, on my own. crazy.
Fights actually have a end now. (mostly talking arena on this one), You no longer have fights that last till one or the other side just quits. Zzzzzzz.
TS. I like it sometimes, when I'm chasing someone, I hate it, when I'm being chased. you can, sometimes kill a person in Zone PvP now w/o them streaking to base every time.
HD. This is one I'm still on the fence about, for my toons with 1 or 2 heals its not a huge deal. For my EMP, it kinds sucks. For people who used to load up a tray full of greens I can see how this would make em QQ.
also, You can turn off the TS, HD, DR, for Arena events. I know this make it 100% like pre i13, but its closer to what some people want
just my 2 inf
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Quote:What about the DPA changes as well as mez duration/protection?Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Ummm . . . base raiding IS PvP.
I also predict that we will get the option to remove PvP shields as an option for arena. Once that is done, anyone who wants to can choose to have I12 style battles in the arena. I could live with that. -
You're still missing super speed and super jump. Health is overslotted, Kuji In Rin is underslotted, the Fighting pool can be removed completely for better powers. Don't bother slotted stealth for Defense, since it adds a minimal amount. Also, that's a lot of PvP IOs you have there. I wish you the best of luck in affording all of them.
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Not in PvP, it doesn't.
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Quote:So is Spirit Shark, but that didn't stop it from getting banned.Originally Posted by Borderline Boss
These are working as intended.
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LordPig's build is definitely a lot better as far as PvE builds go. Of course, there's a few alterations I'd make (can't stand smoke flash), but as a 50 respec build, it works.
For PvP, there's a lot of power choices you'd want to make differently. You'll want the Concealment pool (Stealth, Invis, and Phase) as well as a Stealth IO. Super Speed combined with Super Jump for travel, not to mention Acrobatics and as many KB IO's as you can manage. For patron powers, Spirit Shark and Hibernate are good and pretty much standard in any PvP stalker build. -
Quote:That's at the cap, so I believe you'd need the IO and tactics.Originally Posted by Supermax
Is that with just the default widow powers? Or do you also need perc IO and tactics?
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Quote:Is it bad that I pictured that with the Hank Hill voice?Originally Posted by Heroid
bobbay!
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117 feet
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When one is at 50, it doesn't matter where they take Fitness. Better to do it late so you have other powers available earlier for slot allocation
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Congrats War Witch. I'm sure you'll do a great job.
Are there any details about any upcoming changes/additions to PvP in this game that you can release? -
In all honesty, that's a pretty terrible build. You're missing a lot of key powers, have very little in the way of KB protection, and picked up other powers that will do almost nothing for you (Dark Obliteration, why?). On top of that, your lolheal is slotted terribly and your end usage is VERY high.
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Quote:I thought you were a Cowboys fan. How's that working out for you?Originally Posted by Sorah
If the Jets ever get to go to the Super Bowl...I will wear my Jets bikini for a year. J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!
/prances out of thread
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A few of these are already in PvP as it is.
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Back in the day, a team tried using an all flight/TP line-up.
They got demolished. -
Dull Pain acts as an extremely potent heal. If you're near the HP cap already, it should be used as such.
Regen is far from needing any attention, especially in PvP, for stalkers. A good regen stalker should never die unless they get into a situation that would almost certainly kill another stalker that much sooner. -
Both EM and ELM hit pretty dang hard, but Total Focus only gets a 30% crit bonus while TS has a 50% chance for 100% bonus crit damage. A good jousting TS can ruin someone's day. Not that EM is bad at all. I still use it for my stalkers, but that TS crit is VERY nice to pull off.
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Quote:^^^Originally Posted by ConFlict
I have been stuck at work all day, please post them for my entertainment.
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ELM has better AoE for PvE and crazy Thunderstrike damage for PvP.
Go with that.
For secondaries, I recommend WP, Regen, Nin. Each one has it's unique traits and weaknesses. WP is generally cheaper to build to decent usage. Regen and Nin cost a bit more, but can be quite effective once you get them there. -
Quote:But there aren't so many. A point that seems to escape those that aren't familiar with the PvP population as a whole in this game. People don't see a lot of this behavior because they don't go into the environment to see said behavior in the first place. More so than that, they easily remember the jerk that said something to them, but not the other 19 people who hadn't said a thing. They go back to PvE, write off PvP, and continue with the game they enjoy. You don't see that in PvE because once they've stopped playing PvE, they've left the game.Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
because there are so many. one thing that really seems to escape you as you continue to try to make this point is that there is a reason why such a large number of people have negative opinions of the pvp community. A jerk can bother a few people, but do you really think that such a large portion of the community would have these feelings if they hadn't seen a lot of this kind of behavior by members of the pvp community. especially after the behavior after issue 13. johnny is a joke, everyone knows that and treats him accordingly. people like serps and -ilr , as well as other well known jerks i can't mention because they still play were encouraged by members of the pvp community. when johnny posted we mocked him and refuted him, when serps posted persoanl attacks on other players and the developers, you and other pvpers quoted him and agreed with him, so maybe we are holding people responsible for their actions.
As i said earlier, its isnt everyone, but it is a subsection that seems to naturally develop in pvp communities, and not just here. My best guess is that while some people want real competition with variable strategies and even take the effort to organize community building events(the better end of the pvp community), some people really like that they can screw up someone's fun.
When posters like J_B posted, members of the Tank community mocked and refuted him. When posters like Galactor or Zen_Shadow posted, members of the PvP community mocked and refuted them just the same.
Also, I'd like to know when I've actually quoted or responded to either serps or ilr in any personal attack on the players or devs. Both before and after i13, I rarely addressed or responded to known PvP'ers and especially not in regards to personal attacks. I gladly admit my own attack on the devs post-i13, and I stand by it. As far as Serps or ilr, I think I've responded to Serps once in an obviously fake RMT thread he made.
I do honestly believe that there isn't a higher percentage of jerks in PvP than PvE, but rather that the manner of which you interact with them and the size of the respective populations as a whole makes it much easier to remember the particularly negative aspects of it. -
Quote:While the negative experiences are sure to stand out, I just don't see why anyone could have a hard time holding individuals accountable for their actions rather than try to blame an entire community for the acts of the few. More so because it doesn't seem to happen in other sub-communities. If one were to hold the entire PvE community accountable for the actions of posters like Ashen_T/Doc_Flowers (anyone remember that guy?), there'd be no one else playing this game. Same with the Tanker community and posters like Johnny_Butane. If people can recognize that one jackass does not represent the whole there, why think it's that way for PvP?Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Thing is, unless you can truthfully purport to speak for "the majority" or "the whole" of the PvP community, the actions and words of brain-dead douchebags like the aforementioned nameless one are what will continue to be foremost in the minds of non-PvP'ers being groomed to participate in PvP.
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Quote:It still doesn't equate to what A_F had said. The connection just isn't there, let alone as a voice of the whole (or even majority) of the PvP community.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
A certain person who's name shall remain unsaid has essentially said "Stoopit PvE'ers shouldn't buy up PvP recipies because the PvP'ers need them!"
They also talked about "Korean RMT'ers", how price caps on the market would "fix" the economy, etc.