Redoptic

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

Edited, to get to the heart of the matter

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

I was perma banned on two game forums because I'm an annoying twit.

Originally Posted by Acemace

I have something similar to that slotted on test,
In pp numina heal numina heal/end, eff adaptor end mod eff adaptor end mod/rech eff adaptor end mod/accu eff adaptor end mod/end [health 1.13% rec 1.5% regen 10%].

Originally Posted by Sarrate

You're painting an extremely one sided picture here. You cannot count IO sets as offering mitigation without also counting them as offense. IOs have had a huge impact on Tanker damage output; it's night and day.

1. Recharge is everywhere with IOs. I'm not just talking about generous recharge bonuses, but actual enhancement value itself. It's very easy to cram 8-9 SOs worth of enhancement into a power. For example, I have Greater Fire Sword slotted with four lvl33 Kin Combats and the lvl50 Mako triple/quad. That gives it 62.19% acc, 95.57% dmg, and 79.12% end/rech. Too expensive? Okay, five lvl35 Crushing Impact (all but dmg/end) and a generic lvl50 end reduc IO. That's 59.64% acc, 95.14% dmg, 78.19% end reduc, and 59.64% rech.
   [edit: Change the dmg/rech for dmg/end and the lvl50 end reduc for a lvl50 rech and the numbers will be the same except for 78.19% rech and 59.64% end reduc. I was just copying the st slotting from my Fire/Stone Tank.]
2. Endurance management is also through the roof. This counts extra recovery and end reduction (such as the enhancement value mentioned above). Why mention this as a damage boost? Because a Tanker that doesn't run out of endurance can deal a lot more damage than one that does. Heck, the difference between having Stamina and not should be a good example of that. It's why many people consider it mandatory, even on sets like WP or Ice.
3. Damage procs should not be ignored as an option, either. I'm not personally a big fan of them, but their effect over time (such as hard targets) is undeniable, especially some of the expensive procs like those in purple sets.

That's not even mentioning things accuracy/tohit boosting effects, either. In the general case this may not be too important, but fighting high def mobs (Rikti Drones), ones with tohit debuffs (Death Mages), or up level mobs shows how important it is.

Mix all that together and you can make some absolutely frightening characters, offense wise. For all the Tanks I've invested in IOs (even very minimally like my Ice/SS with only 4 sets of CI) I cannot understate the improvement over their baseline. It's almost like playing a whole new character.

Note: I'm not trying to discount how much mitigation you can get with IOs, I'm well aware of the silliness you can do with IOs in that regard. However, you are vastly downplaying how much offense you get from IOs.



To use your own words, "says you." (I don't say this as an insult or anything, mind you. If you took it as such, then it's possible SpittingTrashcan did as well.)

For me, death is far more frustrating that the slower kill speed. Death can cost me zoning time (twice), travel time, and the frustration of dying in the first place. My biggest problem with Blasters is not always just dying, either. Rather, dying because I missed something, the foe had stupid high burst damage, or I was out of inspirations. I hate surprise deaths like no other as much as I hate being chained to my inspiration tray. I just recently pulled out my lvl33ish Ice/MM Blaster for a few missions. After using the last of my inspirations to kill a Freak Tank, he rezzed and promply killed me. I logged out after that, don't think I even finished the mission.

A Tank killing slower? I'll take that any day because I know I'll be able to get the job done, even if I don't have a blue or red. I can't say the same for Blasters. That is my opinion. I'm sure Blaster players would disagree with me.



This is just a clarification / double check, but you know that Defiance isn't mez protection, right? All it allows them to do is use 3 powers while mezzed (t1/t2 primary powers, t1 secondary power). Blasters still can't move, toggles still suppress, and offensive toggles still shut off. It's a nice perk, but most certainly not true mez protection by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally Posted by sturm375

Oh, I am confidant. I am confidant that the bean counters will tell those at Paragon Studios, that to make the changes you and I would like, to make Tanks a conceptual match to their comic book roots, would cost too much, and not bring in corresponding revenue. That, in the end, is the reason it won't be done in this game.

Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane

I don't think it's a money issue at all. At least not directly.

I think it's a case that they simply don't care about the complaints.

The current intent is for Tankers to be medium-low damage decoys. Tankers are that, therefore, as far as Castle is concerned that translates to "working as intended".

For Positron, it's no skin off his nose if Tankers have concept issues or if Brutes take a huge chunk out of the Tanker population. As long as he isn't being inundated with complaints there aren't enough Tankers for the teams that need them or the forums aren't literally disintegrating in riots, I don't expect him to be moved.

Really, I can't think of an argument to convince either to address Tankers if they have no intent to ever do so. I don't think you can persuade someone into having respect for the source material if they just don't.

There's always the chance they change their minds on their own or defer to the people complanining even if they don't understand the complaints themselves.

There's also the chance of world peace in our lifetime. Neither is likely, but that shouldn't stop you or me from trying for it.


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