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they may have fired her for being, ya know, a Vahzilok....


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Seems unlikely since they have Vazy dancers and patrons.

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Had this happen all too often where your 'description' is used as common knowledge

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Sorry, I have no sympathy. If it's supposed to be top secret and only possible to know through the right contacts then why have you written it where everyone can read it?

Put things in your bio which aren't obvious from your avatar, but things which would be obvious to someone meeting the character. Velvet's bio talks about her voice (which is distinctive) and mentions some bits of back history which the general populace might know. War Crow's bio says he has a Welsh accent, because he does. Neither of them reveals secrets about the character. If you want to know that stuff, you talk to them.

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to find out that info about my main, Echo Hammer you'd probably have to be high up in the FBI / CIA / Or high up in one of the Meta-human agencys

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Any toon who has done the mid-range Rikti Origin story arc has 'Omega Level Clearance' with the ability to access virtually an secret document in the US. (From an RP point of view, this could really suck, but most people never use it.) If they wanted to research Echo Hammer's background, they could. I still don't see that as a reason to paste it all over your bio.

So, basically, you should treat your bio as being public knowledge.

And be glad anyone has read it! Half the time, people don't bother.

(( While I think this is a good idea, don't go expecting people to have read it. It's tough enough getting people to read notes in the character bio in-game, expecting them to have read what you post here will result in arguments. ))

The Titans were a bit more... elemental, I always thought. I don't suppose it makes much difference in the "infusing your power into" stakes.

Does explain why they hate each other a lot as well.

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I think we have to be very careful that this doesn't turn into a religion-bashing/atheist-bashing flame war... keep it civil, I hope, even if it's alright for the moment?

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Have you ever heard of "benefit of the doubt?"

Doesn't matter. See above.

UN, I'm going to stop now. You are taking quotes out of context and then rambling on about them. That's enough.

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Ok you win.. go look at the Invetions thread... CoX uses an idea of magic very similar to yours....

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It appears to because 'my view' of magic has a broader application. You can fit it to pretty much any actual magical paradigm. 'Your view' has a far more restricted viewpoint, such as the idea that technology supresses magic.

You've looked at what they've described and seen the bit about "blending magic and technology" and you think it fits better into 'my view'. However, that blending probably relies on stuff like Orichalcum and "bio-neural chips", and any other pseudo-science technomagical jargon they can stuff in.

It's in Cryptic's interests to keep the actual way magic works in their 'system' as vague as possible. Since 'my view' of magic encompasses more or less any kind of magic depending on the beliefs of the magician, and those other sentient minds around him, of course mine fits to their vague system.

If 'your view' of magic had an absolutely fixed view that technology and magic cannot exist in the same 'device', then you were bound to find something in CoX that didn't fit your view eventually, for the simple reason that CoX cannot be restrictive and you are being highly restrictive.

I didn't think 'your view' precluded any technological/magical interface, however.

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Any idea, theory, or befief of creation is a relgious stand point. Choosing not to believe is a extreme relgious statement just as saying you do believe. I am curious to what you think you are and who your belief is not a religous one?

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I think you should take this up with Prof Hawking (if he's not too busy appearing in Simpsons episodes).

I'm agnostic, the ultimate kind of fense-sitter and, IMHO, the one true position for a scientist. I have no evidence for the existance of the supernatural, God, god, Lord Cthulhu, or anything else, and I also have no proof they don't exist.

Unfortunately, I cannot become a 'believer' because the only way I'll 'believe' in (say) God is if I have proof of his existance. People who believe in gods because if they don't the gods will come throw stones at their windows aren't believers, they're just realists.

As for creation stories, there's really no need for any entity to have created the universe, it can happen by pure random chance. There's also no problem with that chance having been triggered by some uber-being. Essentially, science has 'proven' that God is not required to create the universe, and Occam's Razor says if God isn't required, he doesn't exist, but the simplest solution isn't always the correct one, so science cannot disprove God either.

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Ok you win.. go look at the Invetions thread... CoX uses an idea of magic very similar to yours....

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It does? I'll have to go read this Brainstorm stuff, it appears. It'll be kind of embarassing if they are using a mechanism like mine.

*shrug* As I recall (and bare in mind that my brain is turning to soup as I type), the 'debate' was that I said you wouldn't like the concept because of the influence of your Mother. You appear to be saying that's not the case because you are an atheist. An atheist (assuming you really are one) has just as extreme a view as does, say, a devout Christian or Muslim. (You just have to look at Richard Dawkins to see that.)

If you want, I could explain how the mechanism I proposed for magic could easily subsume the concept of gods and 'living magic', but I sense you want to give up.

As for why I may be trailing after you and posting, well, I'm trailing after many people and posting, and I'm posting the odd thread of my own. Generally, I go where I find an interesting thread which I think is worth putting input in on (or sometimes making fun off, but those posts are usually shorter).

So you can probably take it as a compliment. I think your threads are interesting, or at least worth 'getting into'.

I stand corrected. I checked Wiki myself, but didn't see that sentence. As I rceall though, the description your quote gives would make him a Titan, not a god. Would certainly explain why he doesn't like Statesman much though.

I'm pretty sure the comics specifically state that they both stem from Zeus. I could check if I was home. I think it's the first or second of the newer comics you're refering to.

I've never read the novels, and I haven't arrived at a section of game which says very much at all about Recluse.

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I got my guns mixed around, I meant a gauss-gun rather than a railgun. *slaps forehead*

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Same thing, IIRC. Railguns are just huge versions of gauss guns.

Both work by inducing currents in the projectile using an EM field, and then driving a sort of 'wave' of magnetism down the 'barrel' which either repels or attracts the induced magnetic field in the projectile.

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Assuming it works like magnetos, because he is repelling himself from the earths iron magnetic core?

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Perhaps you mean attracting to? If he repelled himself from it, he'd be flying off into space real fast.

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In the second or third issue of the Magneto series in 96/97, Magneto uses a low-level repulsion against ferrous materials in the ground to propel himself forward, similar to how a railgun is 'suppsoed' to work.

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Um... yeah, sure. Well, fair enough. I never knew Magneto was such a good conductor of electricity, but then he does seem to manage to 'magnetise' a lot of things that aren't magnetic so what the hey.

Blashphemy is also a religious position.

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Assuming it works like magnetos, because he is repelling himself from the earths iron magnetic core?

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Perhaps you mean attracting to? If he repelled himself from it, he'd be flying off into space real fast.

For UltraNova, what God Modding is:

Essentially, God Modding, or "God Mode Roleplay" is forcing your wishes on another player without their permission. You do not have to be playing a god, you don't even have to be playing a superhero.

The simplest example is something like "Bill shoots Ted in the chest, killing him instantly." Bill's player has not only determined the actions of Bill, but has also determined the results of those actions on Ted. Ted's player has been ignored. Bill's player is God Modding.

In these circumstances, the correct mode of operation would be more like:
"Bill fires at Ted, aiming at his chest."
"Ted is hit and critically wounded."

In a superhero tale, the response might be "Ted easily dodges the bullet." The point is, it isn't up to Bill's player to decide what happens to Ted.

God Mode Roleplay then, is deciding what happens to other people's characters when you have no right to do so. It actually has nothing at all to do with playing gods, or having uber-powers on your characters. It's actually a matter of roleplay ettiquette.

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Number one Recluse does not have the aspects of Zeus. Recluse is the Incarnate of Tartarus.

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How can he be an aspect of Tartarus? Tartarus is a place, not a god.

Could you post a link where this information can be found? I'm not actually saying you're wrong, because I'm happy to believe anything bad about the CoX backstory, but I do remember the entire concept behind Recluse and States was supposed to be that they were both Incarnates of Zeus, each having different aspects of the god.

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I think I said that people wouldn't like my idea if they had a religious or spiritual view of magic. You do. As you said, you're influenced by your mother.


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Funny tho, i'm atheist!

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Atheism is a religious viewpoint.

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I'd say its a toss up between Controller and Defender if you want a mage.

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War Crow and Jason Caine are Scrappers, Cel is a Controller, I've had a Blaster. All have been magicians.

I'd say a Blaster is pretty close to what most D&D players think a mage is.

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Any luck dressing up will inspire me with new insight into magic!

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I dress up every summer for several weekends, and usually play a mage. It hasn't ever inspired me concerning magic because most RPG magic systems are about as insipiring as... um, a really uninspring thing.

I think I said that people wouldn't like my idea if they had a religious or spiritual view of magic. You do. As you said, you're influenced by your mother.

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FFM can have a cookie too. I still won't be able to float him.

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Of course you can, you just need a big enough bath...

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As my OP was about how you interpret the canon and other elements of the game as a exchange of opinions not a debate, I didn't mean to offend you.

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Nor I you.

To return to your original point then:

How do I interpret the CoX canon? I don't. I don't think there's enough detail or substance to it to treat that way and the very nature of an MMO makes it next to impossible to handle the actual story with any 'responsibility' because you'll rapidly meet someone who, say, doesn't know that Crey are a mean megacorp, despite the fact that your personal storyline says that news of their downfall has been all over the media.

You might be able to stick with canon plotline if you always adventure in the same group and only ever do a named villain mission once (at least that's possible now). If you start meeting other people around the world, it starts getting very silly.

One thing I think you are missing with regards to Statesman and Recluse: they aren't human, they really have been endowed with aspects of a god, Zeus to be exact. What's more, sometime in the future, you may be able to get your own toons 'Incarnated' in the same way. I remember when the idea was first put forward that we muttered dark things about people God Modding for real...

And you really should check up on what God Modding actually means.

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And I don't want a biscuit, I'm fat enough already thanks!

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Bad FFM, you ate all the buscuits!

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And I wasn't arguing with FFM. I was asked what his creation myth is. I explained it. You decided to pick it apart.

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Actually, I hadn't read it. I was mostly picking apart FFM's decsription of what a black hole was. Then you guys picked my comments apart because I didn't mention the words 'Hawking' and 'Radiation'.

My point in replying to FFM was not to pick apart your character's origin story, but to assault FFM with a mashey-niblick for asking you how a sentient black hole develops when the physical impossibility of the character makes justification impossible and unrequired. Basically, I felt FFM was asking you to justify your character (which might not have been what he really meant) and I was saying that justification was pointless.

So I was telling FFM off for asking you to justify your character (bad, FFM, no buscuit ) and you were telling me off because you thought I was asking you to justify your character.

Isn't communication over the Internet a delightful and fun-filled thing? Don't you just love the confusion?

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Again in my mind, i thought how does he survive mach 3? He has super strong skin , that as a side effect would grant him some invulnerblity. I never complained, I simply stated my reasoning around it.

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And quite reasonable. However, and this may be a function of your use of language, or my reading of it, the way you said it implied that you were, in some way, better than others due to this rationalisation, or perhaps that your rationalisation made more sense. It doesn't, as I hope I've explained. It might make sense in your head, but if I were creating a hero I could fully rationalise I'd need to apply a lot more physics to them than you are doing.

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But if your Alt is a mutant, who, by definition, evolved winged flight, one would assume he would be adapted for it. Like hollow bones, reduced fat storage on the body, increase pectoral muscle strength, highten metabolism, adaption to breathe in thinner air etc..

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You can make those rationalisations if you like, but you can't build a real humanoid that can look human (you are limited by the character editor afterall) and still fly in Earth gravity. It's physically not possible. You need lower gravity, and/or a denser atmosphere. It isn't reasonable to assume that a mutant would develop the required abilities and body modifications. Calling it reasonable doesn't make it so. The point is, it doesn't need to be reasonable in CoX because lots of things happen that aren't reasonable at all.

I really like making magic characters for the simple reason that I can justify the most totally outlandish concepts because "it's magic."