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When they nerfed forts damage and elusiveness, they should have increased their stealth capp imo. At least before although you could see them, you couldn't get consistent hits on them like now.

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So your pretty much Saying Ravens that the game can get better for you but it cant for me. Play that crap somewhere else because theres always room for improvement. This would benefit everyone and not only me.


[/ QUOTE ]I didn't say that, but in a way thats the case, the primary reason is your mentality. The stuff your crying about is meaningless and easily avoided and or defeated. But instead of thinking outside the box, figuring out YOUR weakness not ours, you come serving up this marvelous whine to garnish any meals we may have ate.

The reason the game got better for me, is i had the ability to adapt to the nonsense and what i can't adapt too i just work around it. Cry about DR, cry about mez resist, cry about suppression, cry about heal decay those are things that matter. But because some stalker phased on you, or his 8 sec hide unsuppressed because your pursuit was fail ain't really the key to your victory.

Also, the forums are tough.. so if you thought that pvp'rs of all people would be all nice and sweet serving cookies and stuff, than that was as much fail as your apparent lack of pursuit angles and such. Most here keep it real, love it or leave it. And i'm not downing you, by any means i just see your plight a little different.

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In my experience, the lower the level of the zone, the higher the magnitude of retarded players. Now, that's not to say that RV does not have its fair share of downies, but I've seen some folks in BB, and to a lesser extent SC, that most definitely take the cake.

[/ QUOTE ]What he said, also add the fact you can farm a toon, SO it and attack sirens in one hours work. Alot of ppl including myself, don't even slot up till 50. So I'll go screw around with a toon in sirens for [censored] and giggles. With my SO's sometimes some are even red and outdated just because i can hell it's sirens lol.

Wait, we are missing an opportunity here, the fact is screw hide, your failings are due to lack of proper pursuit techniques, lack of competent teaming, lack of damage, lack of pew pew, lack of just realizing sometimes peoples escape methods will pwn your attack techniques.

All that aside [censored] happens get over it, or you will continue to be upset, because the fact remains no matter how good you get at killing in this suppression pvp, their is someone that will activate something and get away.


Edit: i actually finished reading the OP's rant, what pvp are you playing where you think heroes are inferior to vills? I have been playing going on three years now and it holds true to this day as it did when i first started, that heroes own vills on shear design alone. Vills just got introduced to competent epics, i remember all the crying that was done because vills epics were just meh in comparison.

Blasters used to one shot most stalkers on site and his team if they were too close. Thats why vills really don't huddle, from just purely being traumatized by fire blasters. Defenders had unresistable debuffs, CM+Fort turned most toon into gods.

Now we are in i14, it's true everyone has been weakened, but if you were stronger before Dr and things, than guess what? LMAO at the OP, i only love vills so much, just because their the underdog. How many years have ppl been calling out castle for loving heroes more?

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I've never seen Matt outside of Sirens, which is the zone where Stalkers have the greatest advantage. He's one of the best in Sirens, but that's not saying much.

[/ QUOTE ]No epics, most heroes aren't at the perception cap, no t-9s, low hp, most IO's don't work (save been slotted for sirens) no real challenge in that zone.

I watched the vids, all i can say is.. love it or hate it, this is what what we have been crying about since i13 beta. This is what pvp is now, so the lesser skilled can compete, they forged this mess we now have. Let's look at this.....

So guy A) is good with breakfree management and or usage of armors and such and can't easily be held. Devs response let's totally take our mez protection and make it so anyone, can hold anyone, through anything.

So Guy B) is good with heal management and kites well, so lets make everything suppress you, even breathing will suppress you, and we will make multiple times healing one's self or another useless.

So guy C) has billions invested in IO's and with out some type of investment, you won't be able to come off the street and really compete with this guy. Devs answer to that we will do a global nerfing across the board(DR) to minimize the impact of being better equipped versus average joe pvp SO'd guy off the street.

So guy D) has buddies that buff him and stuff,hahahahahaha we all know where that went.

Notice the trend? You can only do what the system allows you to do, and since your suppressed anyway and forced to button mash, you might as well do it standing still. Just food for thought.

I remember late one night in rv they moved the vill drone into a hero huddle and wasted them. Then dragged it all the way back to the hero base, that was the funniest thing i ever seen. And as far as droners if they were just protecting the base limits, than they wouldn't need to use boost range, i have been killed as far out as the first hill running away no less. I have never been droned by someone who can beat me in a fight.

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oh and that 40% is without DR factored in DR brings it down but yeah - squishies got 40% res to everything.

[/ QUOTE ]Yea but it's free, then you factor in the epic shields to get that 40% again lol@dr vs their resist.

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So is anyone using Flurry? lol

what what???
All squishies have a 40% base resist to EVERYTHING?
So corruptors are now like a low budget Brute?

Can you link the patch notes on this BS? I can't find the nerf patch notes. OMG what a joke.

[/ QUOTE ]I have seen blasters park right in melee range, and crack a brutes head open..This ain't no joke..It got so bad the brute knew he was out matched and tried to run only to die tired hahaha (True Story)

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The blaster in the brutes melee range and crack his head open with FLURRY?

[/ QUOTE ]lol flurry was a after thought he used his whole barrage of weapons at his disposal, in melee range flurry and his /em tools, in firing range as the brute ran he pew pew him.

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So is anyone using Flurry? lol

what what???
All squishies have a 40% base resist to EVERYTHING?
So corruptors are now like a low budget Brute?

Can you link the patch notes on this BS? I can't find the nerf patch notes. OMG what a joke.

[/ QUOTE ]I have seen blasters park right in melee range, and crack a brutes head open..This ain't no joke..It got so bad the brute knew he was out matched and tried to run only to die tired hahaha (True Story)

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Regen is a joke btw. lol WP FTW!!!

[/ QUOTE ] I forgot you use WP, i survive alot of crap on my elec/regen so it's not all that bad in zone only,i actually prefer regen. My only gripe is the way mine is built he's blind as hell, but TS rocks ftw. I never encounter the things that would make a wp shine, like alot of bubblers or stormies, TK is nerfed and if i get KO blowed it doesn't mattter i still will go flying no matter what set I'm on.

I remember being held by a stalker on my WP tank, while i was running SoW, he spun me around with my cape under my butt, and i remember thinking with the new mez resist wp's advantages (Superior mez protection) Don't seem as dominant as it once did. So i rerolled my spines/wp into a elec/regen, the funny part was he was rerolled from a em/nin. They nerf so much your forced to constantly reroll I'm sure elec/?? is coming i think that's how they try and keep us playing, just nerf us over and over and force us to reroll lol.

fortunately for you rerolling only takes one hard day of xp thanks to AE.

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It's certainly more competitive and less reliant on builds than it is on strategy and skill.

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Hahaha! Good one.

Current strategy: Mash buttons to use attack powers, while your opponent does the same. Hope that you do MOAR DAMAGE than him. If that fails, hibernate and then phase.

Yep....tons of skill, and really extensive strategy.

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Stalkers are "easy mode" in that it's very easy to choose when and who to attack with little fear of being attacked first. The main advantage to having lots of stealth is being able to pick your fights relatively safely. While getting off an AS with the new travel suppression rules is easier than it was in I12, actually getting a kill on a full HP target is much more difficult due to DR, base resistances, and the nerfing of AS's damage scale (think it went from 6x to 2x). At least AS does more damage in I14 than it did in I13 thanks to the crit portion no longer being resisted.

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Alot of people confuse what we have now, with i10 i11 stalkers, where AS still had the 6x scaler and ET had like a 1sec activation. So the majority just rolled a EM/?? and just went to town. It was literally feeding grounds in the zones, now you realistically need multiple stalkers to do the job of one. With all the spiking going on, sometimes playing in complete stealth is a relaxing thing.

As soon as you exit with anything else, and are seen let the spiking begin. That's why at any given time you'll see multiple people just resting in the base or near their drones to avoid being jumped on. Super speeding and jumping around for hours will eventually wear your hands out and make you just want to take five.

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Well your wrong in assuming i dont take chances...Why i just can't have learned ...Why i just can't be….Why i can't just be ….Hell why i can't just be….Why i can't just team...

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Well, hopefully you are better at pvp than you are at the English language...

You like to brag quite a bit about how good you are. That's understandable. It's a game that you play 8 hours a day, so one would hope that you're relatively good. However, you should understand that staying alive on a stalker is not a huge accomplishment, especially since you get to pick your battles and can easily avoid those that would likely result in death.

You could give just about anyone a stealth-capped stalker with phase shift (and 60 seconds of instructions), and he could survive without dying for hours on end while scoring kills.

Brag about it if it makes you feel good, but it doesn't demonstrate any degree of skill.

Never mind. You're probably the best player in the game at this point. Good luck in fightclub! You're rise to the top is inevitable.

[/ QUOTE ]You just proved my original point, in your lust for good pvp you decided to forum pvp me instead. Unfortunately you don't get any rep or IO's for defeating me here. And I'm sorry English is not my first and or native language so from time to time i slip or get lazy.. oh well it happens? But in your attempt to teach me the said English language, perhaps you could have used your obvious mental prowess to detect the difference between someone bragging and someone just being defensive. Had i opened my statements IE. I can do this, i can do that.

That would be one thing, but in fact i was just responding to a statement directed at me, so anything i say at that point would and should be interpreted as one defending him or herself and or correcting a statement that had error in it, which yours did.

But enough of this, everything we discuss here is purely subjective, as everyone has an opinion, so their is in fact no right or wrong in this matter.

On topic, bottom line you can't just pick up a stalker and be good, you can however pick it and every other toon on this game and get kills. How hard is it to chase someone down on a blaster and shoot powers at them until they die?

And as far as fight club, their really is no such thing, it's just a made up word someone thought of for two people fighting in a zone, that are to lazy to go to the arena. It's the same fight, just conducted in a zone, the only difference some people impose their own set of rules IE no inspirations and such. But to be honest most duels in the arena i have participated in the other guy always ask for the parameters of the fight before hand IE do you want us to use inspirations and so forth. Now as far as standing their fighting in one spot this is also a myth about this nonexistent fight club.

It just happens to be the only real way any two melee can really kill each other, with out long drawn out fights that possibly and inevitably will always most certainly end in a stalemate. Which alienates a already limited possibility of fighting combination's we have enough limited chooses why limit them further?

But I'm done you can have this one....

"Ravens takes an inordinate amount of forum pvp damage and dies"
"Ravens is defeated by the forum lord/english teacher PvPleaseHelpme"
"Ravens drops pvp forum goodies for the kids"

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I love this thread.

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lol..yeah my best was on my crappy spines sr with sos. A brute got tired of me winning and challenged me to an arena duel. I never duel but. meh okay. I started kiting the brute with impale and we quit out.

"what are you doing?"
'If your not going to duel then I am going to leave"
"I was dueling"
"You must be new to pvp, your not supposed to jump around like that in a duel.."
"is there anything else I should know?"
"no inspirations"
"so just so I understand, I am not supposed to move, or use inspirations..is there anything else I can't do to make sure you win?"
"what do you mean?"
"I am supposed to stand there and let you build fury?"
"Your a scrapper, you should stand and fight...you really don't know how to pvp do you?"
"no I guess not, CYA!"

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Hilarious. Hearing melee fightclubbers teach folks that duels are meant to be fought standing toe-to-toe with no movement really never gets old.


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(Ravens)i go hours with out dying. Wrecked never, if i die i had a lapse in concentration or the dreaded lb heavy made his mark. First in foremost i ain't rushing head first into a trap….And what stalker let's themselves get continually ganked?

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<Raises Hand> I take this to mean that you're one fo the stalkers who simply won't attack if there's a chance you might die. That can certainly make for some boring pvp on both sides. Personally, I don't care about death, and I die quite frequently on my stalker…but I always attack the trap in hopes of scoring a kill, even if death is a certainty and a kill unlikely. I think it's far more fun to attack and die than to sit around not attacking because I'm scared of dying.

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Edit: also i have seen guy get kills with 0 AS's, he made me a believer, the guy he fought kept caltrops out and he still won. If you think I'm just pumping him.

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Amazing! You saw a stalker beat someone in fightclub…well, you've made a believer out of me! Fact is, fightclub fights are a joke.

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fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win.

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Truth! The only reason to deny this truth is to boost your own ego.

[/ QUOTE ]Well your wrong in assuming i dont take chances and just stand around blah blah, i attack entire groups, get kills and get out and live to talk about it. Giving creds must be a mutha for some, why can't i just know what the hell I'm doing? Why i just can't have learned how to exist in the new pvp enviourment as lol as it is? Why i just can't be a little better than alot of the new comers that now pvp? Why i can't just be a vet that pvp's 99% of my game time ongoing 6-8 hours a day going on 3 years now? Hell why i can't just be lucky? Why i can't just team alot, and tend to play with skilled groups?

Which ever of those variables exist for me, it is what it is, also i'm not their for anyones amusement but my own. So if one day i do decide to lay back in the cut so be it if it's fun for me. :P

Also beating a scrapper or tank fight club style with no AS is a tuff task, your going against the grain on so many levels. I can't do it yet, sure ppl say fight club is lol and it is, but so is pvp period and we all obviously do it. Whether you know it or not, the jokes on us everytime we log on for not having the strength to quit or stay gone in my case for this pvp nonsense. I just keep thinking one day they'll come around and make this right.

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Wait what? I TP Foed someone who was camping the base in RV into a drone on Monday night. It gave me the chance to LEAVE the base and fight in a less cornered area.

Are you asking to remove this?
(And I didn't know there was a phase shift with Teleport Foe. Is there really? That's horrible!)

[/ QUOTE ]Well that's a load of crap, if you like droning you like droning, don't use your base is blocked as an excuse, each base hero and villians has multiple exits it's always a way out. Droner!!

Then another person learns the truth, that being a good stalker isn't as easy as some make it look. Assassin Strike isn't a i win button, then you also find out if your playing against other good pvp'rs you might have to abandon using AS all together for extended stretches of time, and kill using the other tools.

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You're right, but what Mid's doesn't factor in is the [censored] [censored] diminishing returns on your set bonuses and your defenses.

For example:

My fortunata has the following in PvE
Melee Defense - 65.2
Ranged Defense - 53.4
AOE Defense - 53.4

Now in PvP I have:
Melee Defense - 40.7
Ranged Defense - 36.15
AOE Defense - 36.15

See, a 1.5 billion dollar build reduced to [censored]!

Good luck with any defense AT in pvp, BTW that 10% elusivity, is crap and doesn't help a damn bit considering the loss of the defense percentages in my above comparison.

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wow i would cry too...if i spent 1.5 billion on that.

...how would a 200 million fort build with 80% range defense come out in pvp?

does the 80% range turn to crap?

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Yes! My Spines/Nin Stalker used to have around 75% ranged def in Sirens. Since DR I am around 35-40% out of hide. I miss the days of only having to worry about aim/bu blasters. Now everyone hits me 90% of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]The devs missed the point, that everyone has a weakness one main weakness. Like you said it was a given that a aim bu blaster gave you issues. But everyone shouldn't be equal, they made pvp so vanilla everyone shouldn't do everything well or the same.

Nascar pvp is lame!!! The premise behind nascar is we all have the exact design parameters and restrictions on engine design basically the same car, with different manufactures, but all perform the same. So it's truly up to the driver and your pit crew to win. Well if we had a pit crew it wouldn't be so bad, our pit would be our buffers that don't work any longer. Formula one, AMA motorcycle, lemans, just about all other racing ignore these rules and is coincidentally more exciting.

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How about in RV when the last person takes over a Pill Box an option window opens and you get to choose what to turn on or off in the zone (DR, Heal Decay, TS, PvP resist, etc...). It will give the pillbox a better reason to be in the zone.

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How bout y'all just get the eff over it already and deal with what we have?

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Dealing with [censored] is never pleasant. Ask most farmers.

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Well, we saw what happend when devs gave us DR off button...this zone would turn into exact same thing: bunch of stalkers with KB...:/ I personaly don't enjoy much DR off matches and when Heal Decay option hits live i won't do any...

[/ QUOTE ]That's because it was no mez resist off button, with our pve mez protection running, everything won't insta mez you albeit 1sec 2sec whatever it's not cool.

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Not really... fiteklubbing is nothing more than button mashing. There really is no skill involved - if the other person's got a better build, they'll win

[/ QUOTE ] When i do decide to fiteklub i actually think things out, I'm analytical so I'm always cerebral even when doing barbaric endeavors. I've beaten ppl with better builds than i just because i do tend to think.

It's a lose hobby of mine, maybe i need fiteklub anonymous or something. I do it like once a week, and I'm ashamed to say i actually have fun

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The first rule about fite klub is....

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You must fight like TRU WARRIORZ, no moving, phasing,insps...am I forgetting anything?

[/ QUOTE ]One thing i learned a long time ago is, though it seems like their mashing buttons, those oldschool fiteklub duels most we're really thought out fights here's how. You have to determine, which attack to use based on their build, based on their hp in conjunction with their build. Which mitigation tools they might have, which tools you have that might counter what they have and the variables go on and on. That's what make dueling that way a nice change of pace from other ways. Me personally i can duel either way and enjoy both, i just chose not to limit my options, they are already limited as it is because of our wonderful devs. So the least i can do to extend my pvp gaming pleasure is to explore different forms of pvp. And though alot of ppl shun lolfiteklub style fights those that do it obviously like it so who is anyone to rain on anyone's fun? Isn't that why we all play in the first place to have fun?

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You sir don't get out much if you think that. I task you come to freedom and duel guyver, this dude has a em/reg stalker and will wreck you in a duel. I'm working on a new dueling stalker myself, but i have sat and watch him call out scrappers and tanks and beat on them for hours he rarely loses.

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First of all, I'm pretty sure he didn't mean zone fight clubzors, since that is a pretty laughlable version of PvP in this game.

Second, I have to agree with con. There is no way in hell that any single stalker can kill either my regen scrapper or my fire tank. I just wouldn't let that happen. Sure, if I just stand there in 1 spot like an idiot (err...I mean like 99% of fight clubbers), there's a chance that he could pull off an AS + something and catch me at a bad time. But I don't just stand there, and neither would any good player. And against a moving tank/scrapper, no stalker is going to have a chance.

The rule is, if they can't AS you, they can't kill you.

[/ QUOTE ]Well in the same vein as your argument, if i'm on my regen stalker you won't kill me, EVER i don't care what sets or buffs you have running i'll have a mitigation tool to avoid death. You'ld have to stay and duke it out to get a kill on either side. It's just what pvp has become and you of all ppl i thought would recognize this. No one scrapper or tanker is going to kill me unless i stop and fight on him and most won't even if i do it's just reality.


Edit: also i have seen guyver get kills with 0 AS's, he made me a believer, the guy he fought kept caltrops out and he still won. If you think I'm just pumping him up, you probably have a melee or two on freedom duel him and see.

Also he did say he didnt think they could in a straight up fight so I'd interpret that as we slug it out until one of us falls, if we are just going to kite around when we get hurt to save death, what's the point of us even fighting? Just before i logged into the forums i [censored] you not i fought in the subway of RV with a purpled fire/reg scrapper on my elec/reg stalker no lie for about 20 min before i miss timed a heal and died. We just stood their and fought. So if i stayed alive that long doing that how are you going to kill me on the run? where i'll use mog, and phase, and shadow meld, and any inspirations i have,and just hide and disappear? The answer is no one melee can achieve this, there fore it's no point in fighting me unless you got help, so you just wasted time, and I'm a talk smack to you, provoke you into a mistake until my team gathers and we spike you. I do this everyday it's a damn exercise now, hell I'm doing it now. Can you feel that?

It's what pvp has become for melees

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I'd love to see 7 stalkers in zone, and wreck them with a mixed team.

[/ QUOTE ]Maybe i luck out when i pvp that must be it, because if i'm on a team of stalkers we are calling out spikes, we get in out on to the next, i go hours with out dying. Wrecked never, if i die i had a lapse in concentration or the dreaded lb heavy made his mark. First in foremost i ain't rushing head first into a trap, second and most important with phase, shadow meld, and mog, their is no just wrecking me before i can get away. And what stalker let's themselves get continually ganked?

Literally i go hours with out dying, ppl's thinking on these matters just contrast the great disparity between hero and villain AT's and how the villains get toned down so much. It's almost a given if you fight a villain, that if you lost you just had to be a noob, versus the villain just having a good, well built toon, and skills on the usage of said toon.

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A stalker can't kill a regen or tank in zones straight up unless said tank/regen is asleep/horrible/trying to lose. So stalkers hunt in packs. I play both sides, but prefer heroes. Stalkers are ridiculous in hide because they are godawful out of it. Fair enough.

[/ QUOTE ]You sir don't get out much if you think that. I task you come to freedom and duel guyver, this dude has a em/reg stalker and will wreck you in a duel. I'm working on a new dueling stalker myself, but i have sat and watch him call out scrappers and tanks and beat on them for hours he rarely loses.