Rangle M. Down

Originally Posted by Talen Lee

Gotta be honest with you, when I saw the post about this on the archetypes forums, I figured 'Warboss' was a redname I didn't recognise. I am now therefore, slightly disappointed.

I might, if the set appealed to me individually. And it'd have to be a different take on mitigation, at least slightly, with some interesting or quirky utility power.

Movin' on.

Originally Posted by Robotech_Master

I've given my reasoning, and am happy with my choice. Thanks again for the help in coming up with the build, but you're not the boss of me.

Originally Posted by Doctor_Xaxan

I responded to another thread that basically asked this same question based on this original thread, then realized I should have just responded in the original.

I think we need to push for things that are either proliferations of existing powersets to new classes or new concepts for powersets. I actually think radiation melee/defense sets would be redundant.

Energy Melee and Energy Aura could easily be recolored to look like radiation, and their mechanics, effects and damage type would continue to make sense. If anyone's response to this is "Yeah, but those sets suck" then that should be addressed rather than overwriting flashier concepts on top of old and busted powersets that need a buff. By all means, make Energy Melee worth playing.

And hey, while you're at it, give Energy aura a No Pulse/Fade option for customization. What's up with that?

It's not that I think it's a bad idea; I just think it can already be done by brushing off some older powersets. Heck, you could even make Dark Armor look like radiation if you don't mind it being mechanically weird.

To answer your question directly, if they put it on the market in spite of all this? I'd buy it if it was cool. I think Street Justice was totally redundant with existing powersets, but I got it anyway just because it was something new and fun to play with. But I do think stuff like Titan Weapons and Staff Fighting make a lot more sense, in terms of filling available niches.

Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome

It depends on the set and the pros and cons of it. I'd need to know more than just a set's name before knowing if I was interested in it... at least a list and description of the powers would be essential.

Originally Posted by Scene_EU

Sounds like the forum guy is a jack-of-all-trades, next week's postponement will be because he's busy changing light bulbs, cleaning toilets, and degreasing the canteen

Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn

I am very glad that IOs happened. I do, however, wish that the Devs had spent a LOT more time creating more balanced sets. There are currently a LOT of ways to get significant Defense, Regen, HP, Accuracy, and Recharge. However, there are few ways to get things like Resistance or significant Damage.

And before they released IOs, and ESPECIALLY before they tweaked the Defense set bonuses, they should have looked into AT Defense caps.

Originally Posted by Netphenix5

That's the point, it would be a totally new armor concept. Since vectors are already coded in (for defense purposes) I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be too huge a project to tie a resistance mechanics to it - certainly less than invent a new type of protection altogether, like they did with Elusivity. And frankly it's always baffled me that one could dodge shots or fire, but could only resist the later.

Originally Posted by New Dawn

Whilst this is off-topic, in different areas the emoticons mean different things because facial expressions mean different things

When you use this it can mean that you are being a self obsessed cool, smug, git with some contempt to whom you are replying to. If you watch Lie to me, the half smile can show contempt.

When you use this your saying something in jest.

I avoid half smiles, in my post history they're extremely rare.

Originally Posted by mauk2

No. Firstly, I don't call for nerfs. Secondly, the Epic AT's make it pretty impossible to lower Brutes resistances. (And for REALLY broken performance envelopes, check THOSE guys out, holy hannah!)

Try to read what I freakin' said.

Here, I'll say it again:

"In my mind, other archetypes should have their performance likewise broadened, but in different ways."

Brutes are fine, even if they are stepping all over the performance space of other archetypes. The game has plenty of room to expand other AT's performance in other directions.

For example, re-run those numbers but bump the Tankers resistance cap to 93 percent. A different picture emerges. Similarly, bump the Scrappers damage cap by a hundred percent, and see what emerges. Both of those changes are things I've been advocating for weeks now. (They may not be enough to match a brutes total envelope, but they will allow both those AT's an area of uniqueness.)

Way to totally misrepresent my whole point for a throw-away one-liner.

Jerk? Or troll?

Originally Posted by mauk2

Well, Claws didn't run this for a brute, so I guess I will....

Okay, same assumptions as Claws made.

Brute damage scalar is .75, cap is 775 percent, so on a 100 point attack that's, uh, 581 damage.

Fighting an enemy with 10,000 hitpoints, the brute takes 18 attacks to defeat the baddy, darn near the scrapper, as Claws states.


Now for survivability: The brute hitpoint cap is 3212, and their resistance caps at 90 percent. With the same 1000 point shots, the baddy requires 33 hits to drop the brute.


Let's make a chart! (whee!)


Tanker: Dies in 36 attacks, Wins in 27.

Brute: Dies in 33 attacks, Wins in 18.

Scrapperies in 10 attacks, Loses.


Interesting. Both the Brute and the Tank win! But how convincing is this victory?

The Tanker has sustained 2700 points of damage when the bad guy drops, and has 853 hitpoints left.

The Brute has sustained 1800 points of damage, and has 1412 hitpoints left.

The brute can immediately engage a second such foe and will be able to hit it 15 times before defeat. The Big Bad wins the rematch with 1215 hitpoints remaining. That means the brute will come scary-close to beating TWO of them. (If you add in passive regen, it's nearly certain.)

The tanker launches into the rematch and can make 9 attacks before defeat. The Big Bad has 6544 hitpoints when it floors the Tanker. The Tanker will somewhat dent the second foe before defeat.

Meanwhile, the poor scrapper has been on the floor, muttering about the whole situation.

This illustrates what I mean about performance envelopes. Brutes simply have a HUGE range of performance. In my mind, other archetypes should have their performance likewise broadened, but in different ways.

Also, note for the record that I did not choose the parameters here. Yell at Claws if you don't like it.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

And I wish you would stop saying this, since its totally made up. You act like there is this thing called "tankers" that CoH tankers stole the name for, but totally messed up. There aren't. Really, there are just melee fighters: things that focus on melee offense and have personal damage mitigation.

Tankers are things that focus on personal damage mitigation and control aggro. They are an MMO invention. To the extent that taunt doesn't really exist in comic book combat, Tankers don't.

If you don't like or believe in the aggro management mechanism, play Scrappers. Or play Brutes if you prefer and don't take taunt. Tankers are there to control aggro. They are a playstyle option for people who do believe in the aggro control system, which is most players that play tankers. What I sometimes wonder is whether most people fully realize that you're not on a mission to *fix* tankers, but actually on a mission to *steal* tankers from the players that play tankers, just so you can repurpose the archetype for your own pleasure.

We have *four* melee/defense archetypes in this game, when we have only two ranged/buff archetypes and only one of every other combination. Find the one that comes the closests your melee/defense preference. Don't tell the people that play the other options they don't deserve them.

Originally Posted by Ultimus

You have pretty flawed logic, why balance the game around early levels then since a character's lifespan is spent very shortly in the early levels.

The game has to be balanced at all levels.

Originally Posted by Ultimus

No offense to premium or frees but the developers have stated themselves the majority of their income is from VIP players. You shouldn't balance a game around the players that contribute the least to the game.

On top of that, an IO license is only 2 or dollars a month. Not to mention Frees and Premium are already inferior once they hit 50 since Incarnates come into play.