QuietAmerican

Ahh, a self-proclamed Tourch and Pitchfork man. Good for you.

This is a question that's been asked by human philosophers for thousands of years. What is the condition that makes life-life, and still we don't have a solid answer. If we are testing a New Program, how is it to understand its own condition when we don't understand ours fully. Not saying your idea is completely wrong, but the angst of life could cause it problems answering your question.

I can see this happening. Its pretty horrific, especially if later we decided that this AI is alive.


This is one of the basic theories of who we might meet if we ever venture out into space. Aliens sending out robots to explore, and who reproduce themselves. We might at some future time start this up our selves.


Agree... but humans are imperfect, and my God, what imperfections would we implant in our creation? Would these safeguards work? Are we smart enough, not only to make it, but to control it, and stop it?

I very much agree with this...
But concerning some of your questions, kids today have to deal with many of these issues, especially finding out that they are nothing but a product of an ego trip, or they are a mistake, or that they were born just to keep a tradition going, or a family business, etc.

I know its not exactly the same, but we as humans have been dealing with life issues like these for so long, we may forget that we ever asked them in the first place. An AI would encounter these same issues, and hopefully would handle them just as other life would. With questions, and answers, philosophy, religion, moral values, and such that it would learn from its parents, from its society, and from its own motivations. Hopefully we will raise a well adjusted AI and not a psychopath.

Also, what about artificial instinct? What part would that play? What instincts would it have? And how would they interact with its consensus programming?

As for the independently created AI, or the Fluke AI, or the "Cloud" becoming self-aware... now that would be a mess, and one I'm not sure we'd deal with very well. A good example of a cloud AI becoming aware would be the tablet in Ender's Game.


We are the AI. In a lot of ways, I agree with this.


The last thing I want to say is... if we do create an AI, even if we program it and such, and try to make it as much like ourselves as we can, there is a very big chance that the AI we create will be Alien to us. It may think faster, may have strange motivations, and it would interact with reality on a completely different level. We take for-granted so many things about biology and how we interact with physical reality. An AI might not have access to all of the ways we do, or it might have access to so many more that we aren't even aware of. Its thought processes might move at such a speed, that our idea of time would be meaningless to it. If we created it, would we even know what we created?

I keep thinking of Doctor Frankenstein, traveling to the north pole, in search of his creation. Needing to take responsibility for the consequences of the life he created.

Consequences, that I don't think even the smartest programmers would be prepared for. We call it an AI. An artificial intelligence... but what if we create artificial life? One with alien thoughts, with strange motivations, with a will of its own. Hopefully that alien ilife would be benevolent.


Ohhhh! Too late! This thread has already gone to the Nazis.

Mage-tank FTW

Truth... replicate a shuttle from scratch? Riiiiiiiiight.

The only good episode of Voyage was "The Year of Hell." I get the feeling that was the writers saying... hey fans, this the the Voyager we WANTED to make, but didn't think the fans would buy it.

I don't know. I think it looks pretty good. At least as good as "Clash of the Ti.. LOL Ha Ha Ha Ha... snort... I'm sorry, I just can't keep a straight face saying that.

It does look horrible.


All I can say is it better be as good as this Fan Made Trailer or it will be epic fail.

Kind of... I didn't see it being that bad, but this trailor has more of the effect and it looks great. Also there was talk around production insiders.

Thank you! I was working off of 30 some odd years of memory of when I was like 10 and playing with a computer at Radio Shack.

Basic... everything seemed possible back then.

Thank you, changed.

Cool, I haven't seen that movie, I'll have to decide if I want to pick it up or not.

Ahh... I see the connection.

In my idea, Shangra La would house "Incredible Wisdom and advanced knowledge." Only to discover that wisdom and advanced knowledge is well... already known. Its just the tenants of Tibetan Buddhism, and the big mystery is why can't we live by them? The moral of the story is a failure of society living up to its potential even when it knows the answer, and the Antagonist (A Chinese Historical Revisionist) wouldn't' get the message in time as he is torn apart by the "Anger and violence of society" in the from of the Snowmen.

Again, this is just a rough idea. Haven't worked out all the kinks yet.

I like your ideas, and you make very good points. But I think that there is a big difference between the b-movies of the 50's 60's and the pulp actions adventures of the 30's-40's. Indy is about high adventure, mixed with detective work, b-movies were more about scream teens and monsters. Would it be fun to see Mutt in a monster of the week movie, or see Mutt take on the Blob, or the Incredible Shrinking Mutt? Sure, it would be fun, but it wouldn't be an Indy movie.

Which goes to the basic question, would you watch an Indiana Jones movie with Mutt as an Indy character, no. But with your idea, where he is a Steve McQueen to the Blob, or watch him run down the Pacific Coast Highway screaming that the pods are coming the pods are coming? Yeah, but why make that movie? Why not just make a new character, one that is more interesting, and make a new franchise?

I agree with you Mr. G Pilgrim, but I am intersted in seeing how they do the Witch King of Murkwood, and how they tie it in with LOTR.

Still, I'm fond of the Original Hobbit Cartoon.

When I went to see Brainstorm, there was a scene where Walken and the Psycho dude talked and the Psycho dude used the Fword. Then the screen blipped, and the exact same scene started up and it was just like the other one but the language was changed.

So, I don't doubt it. Back then, with the way films were distrubuted, things were wacky!

Been done, start at :49 seconds.

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I think they will build up to this.

The epic fight was pretty epic because the heroes, although they work together, they didn't coordinate. It was mostly, someone would smash, someone would distract, someone would blast, whoever happened to be at bat next. No one took the "Lead" in the fight.

They showed early on, that although people looked to Iron Man for answers, he didn't really want to give any. Ant Man and Wasp were a bit snarky, Thor seemed distant, and The Hulk was, well the HULK.

You can clearly see how having someone call the shots during a battle would really streamline the fight, and these guys really need a "Leader."