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Heh, well. Between the two remaining active members in my SG, we got power, control, and now a salvage room. I looked over the list once, furrowed my brow, closed the window, and made a mental note to sell the room back and buy something else later on.
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I'd be a godsend to be able to check some of the basics before you place it (or before you can afford it) to save a lot of hassle..
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Attitude is what seperates the Players from the Enviroment.
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Its because the pavement doesnt give me sass, that I dont lay the smack down. Though occasionally i've had run-ins with hedges. They burned. -
The trouble with joking with everyone, as if they are your longest bestest buddy-oh-pals, is that they arent. A lot of people dont understand that if you start doing the "Thats not what your mother was saying last night!" style taunts into it, of course the other person is going to get annoyed if they dont consider you a friend. Some people try to cover themselves by just saying "It was a joke and you know it was" then use the fact they got told it wasnt welcomed, as an opening to start a personal critique on 'em.
Simply put, a common way used to backhandedly insult someone, is to insult them in a way that will appear as a joke to others, but will definately insult the target. That way if they respond in anger, you make them look like an a-hole or a whinger.
Yeah, sometimes, people do need to lighten up. Then again, sometimes people need to simply realise they took it too far and stop fobbing the blame off onto other people. Im convinced that the bickering and debating is going to stay a part of PVP forever, but it gets out of hand way too often. I could understand the occasional arguement/conversation that blew up, but it happens too often y'know?
But in the end, what can we do? There arent any authorities to patrol the zone nuking people who blatantly step out of line, and petitions take a while to respond to (if your petition IS responded to), so we're back at square one. Hooray for PVP!
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then again I never said I was perfect (ok ok I did but I lied)
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If the devs were worried about NPC's getting too involved in fights, without the debt to push people to -really- try to stay alive, then they could always introduce some other kind of penalty. Rather than debt, KO by NPC could give you a temporary debuff of some kind. Lasts a few minutes, call it "bruised" or "wounded". Or force a person to stay in the hospital for a short time, keep them laid in bed for a minute. It has annoyance factor, plus it removes them from the current combat for long enough, to have a substantial effect.
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Well if you want the debt taken away then you have to take all of the XP.
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Im ok with that, who the hell farms the hotspots for xp lol
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Seconded, with zeal!
Seriously though, with the way PVP goes sometimes, its nigh-on impossible to fight without several mobs joining in. There are far too many of them, and they're far too hard to avoid. The full grade of outdoor debt is like a slap in the face for trying to enjoy yourself :P
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I personally think i'll ALWAYS have a problem with stalkers, and not just the "omg, my AS didnt instakill!" -placate- -runbacktobase- types. I just dont feel their balance, either as one, or as a target of one. Maybe thats just because im a Metal Gear Solid and Tenchu fan, but thats always the way it'll be. Well, considering most of my characters are squishy. I think i'll gripe about them another few hundred thousand times, too. Thankfully though, not all at once, and hopefully i'll keep it as polite as I have, previously
To me, PVPing whilst also holding a good bickering session/conversation over local/broadcast is kinda fun. Or maybe thats just because im a gemini. When im not gabbing, im typing fast. Hell, I even have a bucket of water near my PC so I can put my fingers out when they set alight.
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Oh, and before I click out of this thread for now, I had to petition that same person, under his hero alt (of the same name), for killstealing, and follow-killstealing/mocking more than once. I have a lot of alts, but I had bad meetings with him at level 15 and under (the Hollows, and around Atlas). Unless of course the villain and the hero who used the same name are completely different people, but I doubt that.
Though I have to say, PVP has been a lot better since I started visiting back recently, this kind of behaviour summerises why I left it :P -
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I was just encouraging people to play as they feel is fun.
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Oh no, you did NOT just say that!
As it has already been pointed out, many peoples idea of fun, often directly falls under harassment. The times when it doesnt fall under harassment, it falls under acting like a complete jerk. There has to be a balance of responsibility for a persons actions, to go with that freedom.
I generally go by the in-game rules. If its petitionable behaviour, I petition. If its not, I play. Occasionally, i'll gripe too.
Thing is, one of my earliest PVP experiences, was with someone just having their own brand of fun. It almost caused Stalk-obot to put me on ignore, too. A group of villains were waiting outside the hero base. Great I thought, no way I can fight my way out for now. Then a particular villain runs up and stands outside the front entrance to our base (SC), staring directly in. Given I didnt have time to right-click check his powers to see if he had TP Foe, I made a snap decision to remove the threat, and wormholed him into a nearby drone. Bear in mind, that drone debt was removed at this point, I never droned someone whilst it gave debt.
As a result, he started to do the CoC enforcement thing, telling me that what I was doing is frowned upon and demanding an apology. When he didnt get one, he decided to openly broadcast to his teammates (who were stood right next to him just outside of the hero base), about what a bell-end I was, or a t*sser, etc. Of course, said group then used some 'valid' tactics on me. Making me their only target, trying every manuever possible to TP me out of the safe zone, KO me, then follow up with broadcast insults. They didnt just KO me once for the TP, they KO'ed me repeatedly. Leaving the hospital was thankfully easy, because I happen to have PFF, but I didnt want to be forced out of the zone because I couldnt de-PFF without being slaughtered, or lobbed into NPCs (which im certain they would have, if there were any hero-hostile ones around). Once I decided to ignore the 'ringleader' who I droned, the others continued to go at the broadcast taunts. Even when I wasnt talking to them, they'd jump on me whenever i'd talk to someone else on broadcast.
"Are you still here? Get out"
"Shut up telegank"
"Nobody wants to hear you talk"
Which essentially pushed the better part of my messages out of the broadcast. I had taken to hovering behind the wall that led to Steel Canyon, in my PFF, until they decided to give up. A good few times two of their stalkers jumped through to the zone and tried to AS me, none were successful of course. After ignoring another one of the guys group, I decided to come out. I thought things were going well until I heard an uninvolved villain say something along the lines of : "Why, Archy is ganking?". Deliberately trying to build a bad rep for me too, yum.
Now, finally to the point. After all this, Stalk-obot said something along the lines of "Stop whining", whilst I was growling back at the ones I didnt ignore. I had already lost track of the names of that guys group, and thought Stalk-obot was one of them. So naturally, I bit his head off too. They finally managed to get me riled up enough where I snapped at the next person being rude. To me "Stop whining" is one of the rudest things you can say, given that situation, so he got a paragraph of return-fire that wasnt exactly deserved.
Of course, I just slapped myself softly on the forehead and grumbled, when Stalk-obot said something like "That was uncalled for", and actually made an attempt at justifying what he said (rather than outright flaming me). I apologised, but I think he already moved out of the zone by the time I sent it. Thankfully, Fliknife was also a friend of Obot, and I got taken off ignore.
Long story short?
A persons 'own brand of fun' isnt necessarily what the PVP zone is there for. I dont expect people to march to my own personal code of conduct, but I expect some [censored] basic respect, the same kind you show a stranger when you pass them in the street. The sad thing is, that they somehow managed to justify all of what they did, because "If he asked me not to attack, I wouldnt have". BS.
Its just a shame we cant do the name-and-shame deal here, because i've heard some of my PVP buds say he's an okay guy, but I seriously beg to differ. People wonder why im a jaded gamer? I simply cannot stand vultures, circling and pecking, tearing strips off a person until they get enraged, then the target gets branded the bad-guy. Unfortunately, I only petitioned that ringleader for swearing, as the rules are still pretty hazy on what you CAN petition someone for. What exactly would you call that kind of event? How could you summerise it in the petition box, in a manner that it wouldnt just be discarded as a "frustrated, pointless, not-worth-investigating petition"? -
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Yes but at the same time, saying "thanks for the debt" is very much the same as accusing someone as being reckless and causing other people debt. If someone causes themselves debt, and points the finger at someone else, im not about to leave the subject untouched.
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Umm remember some time ago we were fighting in the sky near Talos park and my impale dropped you into a mob of Tsoo? I can vividly remember words along the line of "thanks for the debt" which were simple frustration and I knew this in the same way you know I wouldnt ever intentionally cause you debt.
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The difference was, this was debt directly caused by your action, not mineI had actually mistaken you for another villain, who had got me into no less than 40+k of debt due to really silly mistakes, involving immobs/-flys and NPCs. If you also recall, I apologised to you after that line, because as a result of the debt and my reply to it, we were on the verge of spitting fire (it wasnt a very good night, a load of jerks were around on both sides).
The point is, if you actually cause someone debt, be it by complete mistake, or due to a major slip-up in targetting/timing/powerchoice etc.. then you have to expect it in some form. However, if the other person inflicted the debt upon themselves, then makes it out as if you did it, it annoys.
I suppose its just the nature of the PVP beast, frustration and annoyance go hand in hand with it.
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I too am guilty of the "thanks for the debt" line but is usually followed by "it happens". I have also caused debt and accrued it by saving enemies but I have never laughed at anyones misfortunes, its just weak imo, Im better than that.
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To tell the truth, i've never laughed, but I never let it slip if they accuse me of something I didnt do. If I did it, I accept it. Unless there are a lot of PVPers around with bad attitudes, im not nearly as intense towards people. A simple apology in local-chat, or even broadcast, normally goes a long way to stopping a fight. Every time i've seen someone get in debt, even if I wasnt involved, I say something like "Ouch, unlucky there".
Mood plays a large part in how fast things get out of hand, but I guess with the amount of stuff people tolerate, it only takes the occasional misworded line to push things over the edge. I guess all im saying is, if someone tries to hold you responsible for something you didnt do, you're entitled to chuckle it off.
At the end of the day, no discussion will beat the fact, that a little common respect for your fellow gamers will stop most arguements in their tracks. At least, with gamers worth keeping OFF the ignore list, that is
On another note, I just realised I need to see my doctor. I have a babbling problem. Hope she can subscribe some kind of cream for it. It reminds me of back in WW2... -
Aye.. i've lost a good few kills because I had to wormhole my target out of a pack of trailing NPCs. That sucks, especially considering my travel power is fly, meaning I have a terrible time catching up to runners, particularly those with mez protection that I cant do anything against :P Just part of the game, really.
However, I can see that using NPC's as an escape/protection tactic is valid too. I will never risk forcing an enemy to get aggro, simply because its too easy for the enemy to get into debt. However, if im being followed by stalkers, and I see a Longbow Warden controller with a pet out, i'll go stand near him with my FF up. A deterrant. If someone really wants to try AS me whilst my PFF recharges, they have to decide if they want to risk a warden instantly joining in. -
Yes but at the same time, saying "thanks for the debt" is very much the same as accusing someone as being reckless and causing other people debt. If someone causes themselves debt, and points the finger at someone else, im not about to leave the subject untouched.
Why?
I dont like being made out to be a careless debt-giver.
Just as much as there is no need to laugh at someones misfortune, there is no need to broadcast anything about someone else getting you into debt, when you were the one who was at fault. Laughing at someone who got themselves into debt and tried to shift the blame to you, is the lesser of the two evils (the other one being broadcasting the accusation untruthfully). Frustration is a given, but it doesnt give you a reasonable excuse to use certain kinds of behaviour.
Here is another example. A certain villain who doesnt have hero chat on, decided to use a hold (or was it a -fly/immob?) on me, whilst I was battling NPCs. Thats fine, I thought. This kind of thing has to be expected. Only, when the enemy didnt follow up with attacks, I got annoyed. I figured he must be trying to get me into debt, seeing as the two hewer elites (and some warrior minion) had surrounded me, and all that he was using was a hold.. hovering a way above me..
So, after I got debt, I went back out there and tore him apart (in-game), which was followed straight after by some random insult directed at me. I was annoyed, but it was no big deal. Then I bring my alt (a fire/fire blaster) into SC a week later, and on the way to a mission, I see this same person, only on the floor, facing a wall, doing nothing, with a hewer elite hacking at his side. Lagged out? Maybe. I figured i'd help out, so I aggro the Hewer Elite and start to take him out. I barely got off a fire-blast and a blaze, when said villain turns around still in red health, runs up to the hewer elite, brawls him once, then gets his head removed... placed into debt.
This was followed by a broadcast :
"Sure are a lot of idiots on tonight"
I couldnt help but laugh. Only, he doesnt have hero chat on, so I couldnt say something about how karma is a female dog. When he ran back to the very same spot, presumably to take 'revenge' on me for trying to save him from debt, I handed his rear end to him. After which, he left the zone. Sometimes, people who behave like that, annoy the hell out of me. They land themselves into debt, in the most emptyminded way, then they say other people did it.
So, if you insist on running away from a fight, if you dive head-first into NPC's, dont blame your attacker unless they forced you into the mob, or held you there. Although I havent done it very often, there have been times i've set myself up as a really easy target, simply to prevent the ENEMY from getting debt. Why? I hate debt myself. If I see a fight going on with NPC's circling, i'll hold the NPCs or engage them myself. If im fighting someone and there are NPC's joining in, i'll disengage, or if im playing my controller, i'll make sure I keep locking down the NPC's as top priority. Yeah, when I do this it means I get demolished, usually. But it would be really nice if when I get debt in place of someone else, because im covering their mistakes/risktakin, it would be really nice if someone said "thanks" once in a blue moon :P -
First off, my personal PVP conduct in this matter :
If I find myself up against odds I dont stand a fighting chance against, I run. If I face a battle that is somewhat fightable, i'll stay. I'll use evasive manuevers against opponents that have the upper hand, but i'll never actually disengage and run away. I often weave around a building to seperate two villains for long enough to have my way. I've always found it pointless fighting to red health then running, as its the fastest way to land myself in debt too.
Essentially, if someone has had the guts to fight it out with me, even when it appeared I had the upper hand, I wont disengage from the fight. Simply because they have earned the bounty on my head (if they actually manage to take it). It does irritate me when in a somewhat evenly matched fight, the opposition suddenly (fully) disengages when they are nearly KO'ed.
But, this is a different issue to what the OP was talking about. The OP means, not only disengaging when the fight doesnt go their way, but they run, the full distance, back to their base. I've seen this happen, with the bounty marked as a map waypoint... and funnily enough, its brutes who do it the most in my experience.
I could understand running a good distance then resting, but why from the street outside the heroes base (in SC), all the way back to their own base, then after a few minutes, they come all the way back out? -
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Agree completely, just like to add. PvP zones are sometimes the best way to find out what kind of person you're playing with. Someone might be calm and nice in PvE but can turn into a brat once things doesn't go their way in a pvp situation. It can be an eye opener
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I never thought of it like that..
Thankfully, only one person was a bit of a jerk in PVP, that I had previously teamed with, but once he got out of hand, insulting a villain we took down in local chat (the unconscious body), a quick cuff to the back of the head sorted him out. -
In the end, people are stupid. Thats all it boils down to im afraid. I too stopped playing Counterstrike (and BF2), thanks to the attitude of people in competetive gaming. Its no fun, if every time you go there, for a full month, there is this kind of stuff swimming around.
Only solution? Lawkeepers. GM's who frequent PVP zones, and squish those things as they arrive. Though, it'd be hard to find people who are such masochists.. -
High level players often visit lower PVP zones, they have more slots than you :P
The problem with the accuracy most likely lays with the enemy having mez protection. If they have mez protection, your controller powers will do very little against them until the antimez toggles have been knocked off. If they have an anti-mez clickpower, you're pretty screwwed until it wears off. -
To tell the truth, once we realised the prices of everything, we knew we'd never have a 'fully functional' base, so we just decided to make a little place to hang out in with whomever are our current teammates. Makes for a nice place to idle in, I guess..
Now with the hint that we'll later be getting a new kind of room, which allows us to apply temporary buffs to our heroes, or give temporary powers.. I think we'll aim for that. With luck, it wont cost any more than a few billion :P -
There is a difference between simply adding the game of CoV to your master account, and upgrading your old City of Heroes account (within the master account) with CoV. If you did that, then its a matter of being patient. How come its always harder to be patient when you're the one doing the waiting?
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You won a caravan full of guitars, tea-sets and cuddly toys!
But you didnt win the holiday.
Im still annoyed that I lost 10500 bounty because my connection conked out for a moment. When I came back on, all of my toggles were still running, so why couldnt it just remember my bounty? I never zoned! --; -
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I can't see how it makes sense to convert inf to prestige at that rateI have 48 million between my top two heroes but rather than convert it I'll use it to support > lvl 25 members of my sg who want to run in sg mode to earn prestige. I don't know what the return on that inf will be but it's got to be higher than 96k prestige
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My SG has 11 members. 5 actual people, with the rest being alts. Recently, 3 of the players have vanished from the face of CoX. Times are harsh in terms of prestige, but we struggle. We are roughly 40k from having our first fully operational room, y'know, supplied with power, control, and its vital internal item.
I understand that the devs wanted to promote the idea of joining larger groups, so everyone can contribute, and have a competant base with fair features, but herein lies the problem. People who buy CoV, probably want to be able to try their own hand at making a base, rather than just joining someone elses SG, to have someone else build a base for you, with you most likely not even having a say... all the time, whilst having your influence cut, to sustain it?
Its all well and groovy if you can get into one of the few worthwhile SGs that are floating around, but lets face it. The average player in CoX, has a chronic complex that forces them to insult one another at the drop of a hat. A lot of people have 'questionable ethics' in the game, never thinking twice about killstealing a boss a younger player spent a short while painfully wittling down, finding it funny to cause debt, or broadcast like :
"lol"
"so yesterday"
"I watched that new film"
"!!!!"
other person : "Please take it to local or team chat"
"lol **** u!"
Jaded player? Yep, thats me. Whilst not everyone is like this, those kinds of players seem to outweigh the players I feel are worth teaming with, let alone gifting with prestige cut away from my influence. Plus, all it takes, even in a good SG, is for one person with authority to decide they dont like you, and thats it, you're kicked out, all that work wasted.
The only viable options, therefore, are to join one of the already heavingly huge SG's that may or may not have competant, polite members. Or you make your own SG and resolve to do well, but find that most people you meet are part of similar SG's that have 1-2 people in them, 8+ alts, and a non-functional base... just like you.
Me? Jaded, frustrated, and an inch away from nearly almost getting a functional room, raaaaaagh! It wouldnt be nearly as bad, if the painful prestige gaining ratio actually gave you access to things you felt rewarded for getting. As it stands, with the amount of work you need to put in, just to get chunky, carved out holes in your base? I mean, first off, we have harsh prestige income and conversion ratio, secondly, we have massive prices on everything, thirdly, we have the stuff that we earn look really amateurish.
As i've said before, it really would not kill them to allow the use of -actual- doorways, instead of giant block cut-outs. Or perhaps the ability to add walls that dont take up a massive chunk of the room, even a real room-divider would be nice, so you could turn a 2x2 hole into something that actually looks like its part of a structure :P
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I see.. thanks.
I actually thought it would be something more like one million influence for 100k or at least even 10k.. but..
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Thats just laughable.
I understand that larger SG's with high level alts can turn out a lot of influence, and they want to protect against mass-donating SG's getting too much prestige too fast... but... bah! :P -
Slightly. :P
We (the Exiles SG) arent a rich SG by any stretch of imagination, but making the place look like more than a few square cut-outs with large block cut-outs for corridors... its a nightmare. I manage though, but sometimes I cant help but think an -actual- door or an -actual- wall wouldnt go amiss, compared to mass segments being filled in or taken out. -
What does the influence to prestige conversion ratio currently stand at, please? That is, converting influence to prestige by feeding the supergroup registrar one million influence or above. Definate figure only, no more rumors please.
There is a rather dangerous button the SG registrar is giving me that says : "Use my influence to boost the prestige of my Super Group", but shows no definate number of how much you get in return for your influence. Someone suggested I should press it, just to see if it confirms the amount you will get if you go through with it.
We're a quiet supergroup, and im not a rich controller. I cant go throwing my influence around like that, especially if the rumors are remotely true. -
Hey now, is everyone forgetting just how excellent a creative broadcast griping session can be?
That was only meant as a half-joke, really. When I used to go through Sirens Call, i'd always end up argueing or bickering with someone, either in broadcast, or in local. The thing was, it was kinda funny, and never personal. True, it got out of hand sometimes, but it was always part of the background banter until both the hero and villain teams equalised and the real fun began.
I did however get a little bored, as the teams started to swing so violently, from one side majorly dominating in numbers, to the other having the major upper hand in numbers. That was the main thing for me, I never liked to join in fights where we already outnumbered the villains by at least four heroes to every one villain... and at the same time, its pointless in a support-class controller like me attempting to fight against a team of villains on my own.
I may never have been a perfect PVP rolemodel, as far as conduct goes, but I never crossed the obvious line from in-game fighter to player-flamer. Now, whenever I think about going back into Sirens Call for an hour before I log off, I remember how certain people behave, and it just seriously puts me off. The repeated, constant jerk-like behaviour. The endless personal arguements. The deliberate spoiling of common player-to-player courteousy and sportsmanship. Without the ability to have a GM respond fairly fast to such things, the PVP zones empty and die fast.
If I ever manage to personally offend or deeply spoil the fun for anyone in my runs of SC, feel free to send me a PM here. Its not likely that anyone other than the defiant SC regulars will know me though. And for the Defiant SC regulars? If there is a lack of heroes, send me a tell (or get Afulia to send one of my alts a tell, through global), and i'll come help out
It doesnt look like we'll ever be able to flush out the idiots, no matter how much we gripe, grumble or slaughter them. The only people who can resolve this, are the GMs and the other authoraties...