PumBumbler

I will be the sekrit ID person to slow down your enemies. Please pay in advance.

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Iggy, aren't you being too demanding? After all 15 days is hardly sufficient time for a crack staff to formulate a whitewash statement.

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I'm pretty much convinced that the devs believe that they've done nothing wrong and that they don't owe the community an apology. This is why nothing has been forthcoming from the devs, and it's likely that they just hope the whole thing will blow over. Or that you'll go away.

Perhaps festering like an open wound would be the best way to convince them otherwise.

PS. a big shoutout 'yo' to Philly. Thanks for last night.

Except when you're fighting AVs, especially ones that have Elude or MoG. Paragon Protectors too. Those are the times you'll wish you slotted the def debuff in FR.

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Invite me and you'll find out.

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No boys allowed =PpPpP

neenerneener

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But he's coming as the entertainment!
Besides, you don't want him wandering around in his cop costume outside the vent looking for a way to get in. There's no telling what could happen...

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When the entertainer is coming, you better not get in the way!

Invite me and you'll find out.

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Biosphere.
Bleys.
Samuraiko.
Manoa.
Pum. (You have no idea how many times "We're not doing a PumRun" has been said in my vent server.)
Philly !
Umm... Plenty more. And Con... I only remember talking to him when someone made an account just to flame Con, oh the lulz. Haha.

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I would presume that PumRun is more akin to a form of dysentery rather than an individual.

someone who argues in AP broadcast a lot?

Ultra cool? or Uber nerds?

Probably one of the best fixtures on Justice says "Fire it up!" lots.

Yo Yo.

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You can max out Dam & End redux by frankenslotting w/ lvl 50s and still fit in 2 procs. Dam/End x 3 and 1 Acc/Dam/End w/o purples, Dam/End x2 (one purp) and 2 A/D/E if you have the inf. I like mixing up my damage types so I'd slot the Eradication proc for En damage for one of the 2 procs (2nd can be the Armaggedon proc, again, if you can afford it, otherwise go w/Scirocco's Lethal proc since you do smashing damage w/Imps and the like).

Leveling up, you'll need to 5-slot for Dam & End redux (3x D/E, 2x A/D/E) so you'll only have room for 1 proc. And no, procs are not affected by buffs, but debuffs (Son, Rad, etc) always kick in.

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I'd rather put in a 5 set of Armageddon plus and end red IO. 60/90/75/90 acc/dam/end/rech, plus 4% end recovery, minor fire/cold resist, 15% acc, and 10% recharge globally and works under exemp. I believe that hotfeet ticks every second, versus a proc ticking every 10 seconds, so the bonus is minor at best, since a kinetic can bump up to the +300% damage cap fairly readily with containment and FS.

As far as slows go, I'm not a big fan of debuffs or slows, since slotting fire cages with a 5 set of gravitational anchor and a ragnorok proc immobilizes, as well as a good chance to hold and knockdown. Most mobs are defeated by the time a debuff proc or even a damage proc has a chance to go off from hotfeet.

As with most damage procs, you really have to judge where to slot them for best effect. The higher damage powers benefit less when compared to a low damage power for slotting. For example, Arctic Air is a good place to multi damage proc since it does no damage by itself, while hotfeet isn't as good since it does damage innately and slotting it up for the damage is usually better (or acc and recharge as well).

Putting a single proc in hotfeet is OK, it will check every 10 seconds (pulse) and anything within that range will be rolled with a to-hit check.

Procs aren't affected by damage modifiers AFAIR, so for a fire/kin you want to max out the damage portion of the hotfeet power before slotting procs. You probably don't have a lot of room left after slotting for damage and end reduction since the power is so end heavy.

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Hello Everyone,

At this time we are locking this thread.
We are aware of your concerns and we are looking into it.

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How long is it taking to look into this ?

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Until you leave.

I can only attend as the Indian Chief, since choake has borrowed my Police Officer costume and has not returned it.

Tries hard to envision an anal muffin...

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Try this one on... People PL'ing the [censored] out of all of their toons doesn't affect you or anyone else negatively and they should be allowed to play however the [censored] they want to as long as they are not keeping others from playing however the [censored] they want to.

I'm well aware this is not a popular opinion.. and you know what? I really don't give a [censored] because the fact that it doesn't affect you is the truth. There's arguments that say it bothers them because of Point A or Example B, but those are usually very weak reasons. The idea that PL'ing is somehow horrible and needs to be stopped at all costs!! is very humorous to me.

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QFT

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Completely agree, even though I don't like PLing, I can understand why people want to do it, and I also understand that it doesn't hurt me in any way.

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Bah. Nothing hurts you in game. You don't even play. You must be a sekrit dev.

Your entire original argument that eveyone's positions are entrenched (and therefore the discussion is not worth having) is rendered moot by the fact that in my first sentence I said that I used to agree with your position, yet now I do not.

I'm not espousing anybody's point of view other than saying everyone should be able to play the game they want want to play it, and as long as they aren't interfering with your in game play, why should it bother you? You may want to read this article and consider how open you really are to the other side's position.

So you may either refute my existence to continue claiming that any discussion will not change anyone's mind, or you can change your position to allow for any reasonable discussion on PL and farming. Simply claiming that no one cares, that you're somehow tired of it doesn't give you some kind of free hit-and-run card of claiming that the other side is not going to listen to you.

As well, you're the one who put the 'stupid' label on non farmers and said that PoV was "ours", which implies that PLers and Farmers have already started ad hominem attacks against you. Hence, victim status. No one on the Justice forum has ever claimed that people who didn't want to farm or PL were 'stupid'. Don't bring that junk in here. Also I didn't call PLers or Farmers 'ebil'...you did. I said that the Meows and worse were ebil, which they were because they (the mishes) got banned.

I don't agree with PLing, farming I can see what they are doing. But that has no bearing on whether I think it is allowable. Don't conflate the two. Morality should not be legality.

Your example of PLing someone with a level pact is even more specious than the original one. A PLed toon is really orthogonal to the pact concept. Besides, it means that the PLer has to work twice as hard to get the PLee to level, and therefore assumes all of the burden and risk to do so. No one is getting something for nothing. Whatever arrangement the PL team has made for xp has nothing to do with you or me. Doesn't affect me so why should I be bothered. I'd be more bothered if they stopped paying their (multiple) $15 a month, since that does affect the bottom line of the game so improvements would be slower in coming.

And if you're offended because the pacted toon will level from 1 to 50 (or anywhere in between) for 'no work involved,' then somehow no toon should receive any 'free ride'? Should this include no veteran powers or attacks? Are you going to argue that the mechanics of the game that allow for people to optimize the game in a meta fashion are gaming the system (ie. exploiting)? Would that include someone who designs a pocket emp, without any attacks, is going to be exploiting because they aren't defeating anything themselves and therefore are getting undeserved xp? Is the blaster who hits and runs to hide behind a corner evading the mechanics of the game and therefore exploiting the system?

Let me give you a hint. The developers are human, just like us. The eat, drink, and have other bodily functions that aren't so pleasant. The also have opinions that you and I will not agree with. The big difference between us and them is that they set up the conditions of the game in which we play. If they don't like the way we play, they should change the conditions of the game, and not retroactively penalize the players who played in a manner they didn't like.

It probably has something to do with Aero, maybe getting CoX properties and choosing xp compatability mode would fix it.

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Snipped. (Basically: Exploits are cool, I exploit, everyone does. Getting to 50 in 8 hours is the same thing as getting there in a few days. Hyperbole, blah blah.)

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I want to go through and comment about all the ways I think you are wrong. However, I just don't have the energy... and no one who reads it will care anyway. All of the "ebil farmers" and "ebiler PLers" will continue to hold their beliefs, and all of us "stupid non-farmers" will continue to hold ours.

And, for the record, I don't think that the folks in charge of those bannings handled things well. I think that an acknowledgement at the very least should be made regarding what happened and how. However, if you level pact a character and get its pact-mate to 50 and never play the other character, there is something wrong there. To me, that is exploiting the system (there are several exceptions to this opinion however, a lot, actually).

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LOL. If you actually played with me, you'd realize that #1 I don't farm. #2 I don't PL. You're just putting me into your convenient factions so you can attempt to bash my PoV. I never even said anything about non-farmers being 'stupid'. You said that just so you could feign being offended.

If you're going to troll you have to be a lot more subtle and smarter than that. I'd suggest you save that energy for posting and come up with something better than a convenient 'snip'.

And how is it that you are offended somehow that someone level pacts their toons to get to 50 without playing. The other pacted person is basically going through 100 levels to assume the burden. If you don't think the developers had thought of that before implementing the system, I think you've done a disservice to their intelligence. I'd suggest worshiping at a different altar then.

Just because something offends you it appears that you feel that somehow it shouldn't be done, when it doesn't affect you in the slightest if you choose not to participate in it.

And if you feel that no one will care if you post anyhow, I'd prefer if you didn't even begin in the first place. Either step up and put in a cogent well-argued response, or don't even start. It just makes you look bad to claim, 1) I'm too tired to refute your argument 2) If I think something is vaguely wrong then it shouldn't be approved 3) No one's going to read or reply so it's time to play the victim card.

I didn't hear you.

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Good Luck in your future Pope. I hope you have the bestest baby ever!

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Don't come after me if that baby comes out with a big letter "P" on his chest.

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*runs a script to ban all the bugs from the forums*

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Wut? You're still here?

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All the other stuff was okay because it wasn't using the MA. But the minute someone uses this "creative content outlet tool" for "non-creative" purposes, all hell breaks loose. And, I've gotta agree with Iggy. A nice long post apologizing for removing badges is nice, but where's the nice long post apologizing for removing characters and banning accounts (especially those that were done on accident)?

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In my opinion, the apology needs to be to the community for all the people that were accidently banned for 3 days with no reason. No apology needs to be handed out to those that exploited the system, no matter how they (the exploiters) try to rationalize exploiting, its fairly clear on its face that MEOW teams were exploits. While I grant that the devs have the authority and can temp ban accounts for exploits I still dont neccesarily agree with it. I don't always agree with what the developers have decided in the past, however in this case their decision to run a script hurt players that may have never stepped foot inside a Architect Building and more than have stayed away from exploits. Furthermore I think the handling of the ban, no response from the devs in any way, no " we understand that there are players who have been erroniously banned, if you think you are one of those please contact customer service and we will take care of that right away", nothing, in fact until recently any talk of it was deleted.

My biggest beef though is just how it was supposed to be case by case and instead they ran a script to ban folks. The fact that they have a script for that is alarming. The time they spent writing that script would have been better spent fixing the rikti com officers in beta before going live, it would have saved them a lot of headache, a lot of goodwill, and a handfull of subscriptions.

maybe next time they will listen and fix the massive exploits before sending it live and having to do the same thing all over again.

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I used to think about exploiting the same way you did, that Meows are ebil and everything worse is ebiller.

I don't think that anymore. After all, the players already set up the conditions to exploit things the way the system was before MA even existed. And those conditions were considered acceptable enough for the developers.

If the devs don't want to publish the conditions of exploitation, then they must accept a cat and mouse game of individual tweaks and banning isn't an acceptable solution. After all, the devs already claimed that they have improved tools to spot exploiters quickly and accurately. If that is the case, then there should have been no need to write a script, the red lights on their Exploitermatic Detector 2000 should have been blinking red lights continually.

In a sense, MA isn't any different than the way farms currently work, or even the way people set up teams. If the devs find that the risk/reward ratios for certain missions/mobs is unacceptable, they should fix that problem, and not attempt to work over the player after the fact. In a sense, that's like working a red light camera. The devs already claim to have real time tools for enforcement, so why are they relying on some after-the-fact tool (and I'm not referring to Posi)?

Demon farms, Dreck farms, Family farms, Wolf farms, they all existed before MA, yet they were tolerated. Even the devs had set up conditions themselves to encourage farming by wanting 10,000 rikti monkeys, or Illusionist farms for badges and accolades. The plethora of badges that were released with MA only served to encourage that fact, yet somehow the players are at fault for playing the game with the way the rules were set up to encourage farming.

What is going to be considered abuse next? Changing your rep from heroic to invincible and not being challenged by it? Inviting more players to fill a team for larger spawns? Standing by the door while the tank runs around on the mission map? MMs going afk while their pets defeat foes? Dropping a Heavy and then using PFF? Running the same TF more than twice a week? Resetting a mission without completing it? Having teammates that are at the min-max level limit for better xp? Not reporting yourself for disintegration?

I think that the devs are punishing the players for the developer's failings in properly locking down the MA, and even worse, not even acknowledging the situation, or even worse than that, suppressing those that point that out. The pact ban is just icing on the fiasco cake.

Now many people are afraid of a McCarthy era inquiry where all it takes is someone to accuse you of creating a 'farm' mission and you're going to have your mission slot locked out and a bunch of your 50s facing a panel of Freedom Phalanx asking questions into microphones at you. Either make a clear set of rules to be enforced, or only ban the worst of the worst in an open inquiry. Not providing a clear set of rules and then banning people for 'rules violations' sounds suspiciously like Venezuela or China. Nice places to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

The other question to ask is "why was it deleted?" As far as I can tell, there were no violations of the forum rules and I haven't received a notice that it did break any rules.

It's likely they haven't seen that they've done anything wrong.

If you follow that PoV, everyone who is complaining is just emo butt hurt. :P

I guess then that everyone that has thrown up their hands and left or is leaving has somehow group imagined the whole thing.

And less everyday!

Uh wait. I guess that's not a good thing... :P

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