Psyrene

Originally Posted by Psara

The first rule of Triumph is that you don't talk about Triumph. The second rule of Triumph is that you don't talk about Triumph.

Originally Posted by LuxunS

Lots to go over here. You'll have to completely rework for pvp. Unfortunately the way the pvp system rules work, your pve build will not be effective.

1. The core concept for defense is mostly the same. Defenses work the same, theres also an attribute called elusivity added to defenses to improve them. I'm not going to get into it as its a lot of explaining and math, but in short you want to shoot for 50-55% range/melee defense. AoE defense is not important as the only ones who typically use it in pvp are electric melee toons. Status protection in pvp doesn't offer protection but resistance (lowers the duration of the mez). However, the knockback protection is supressed while mezzed so keep that in mind. Elude is a very good option, take it.

One thing to note, the defense bonus from mask presence is suppressed during combat. Don't turn it on in mids when trying to look at your defense, it skews the numbers, add it manually.

2. Skipping a travel power is tempting, but i'd say take super speed at least. There is no penalty for dieing in pvp, but people will still do whatever they can to avoid it, you'll have to chase.

3. Not that I can think of

4. Knowing what server you're on would help for this question. In pvp buildup is the much better option. Unless your fiteclubbing.

5. Base duration for widow holds/immobilizes is 2 seconds. Even with slotting they're hardly noticable. Not really anything you can do about this one.

6. The stealth IO does stack with mask presence. However, you can not play a widow like a stalker. The widow stealth cap is not as high as the stalker's. If you want to hit the widow cap you'll have to take invisibility from the concealment pool as IO+MP is not enough.

7. Smoke grenade is not a hold. The -to hit is negligible, but I don't know how DR affects -perception. It was once a good disruption/harassment tool, but I haven't tried messing with it since the pvp changes.

8. The reason people take sharks on stalkers is they crit from hide/mp. On widows the best option is black scorpion. Web envelope will keep targets grounded. Shatter armor won't crit from hide, but otherwise it's the strongest attack we have available.

Trying to mimic a stalker pvp style is not really the way to go with a widow. We don't have the stealth or damage numbers to play like that. Also thanks to travel suppression you can't really use hit-and-run tactics.

If you're really set on that playstyle my recommendation would be...
- Choose squishy targets from max visible distance (blasters, controllers, defenders)
- Close the gap from an angle they won't notice you immediately
- Open with bu+slash from hide, followed by shatter armor
- Lunge if you are still in range, if not use range attacks
- Placate and slash again when its available
- Web envelope early if they're trying to flee with jump/fly, if not save it for when you have a break with no attacks available
- Elude if they don't drop in a timely manner and put up a fight, or have friends

Build Advice ( tl;dr )
- Take leadership pool if you plan on fighting stalkers in Warburg(dead on all servers?) or in the arena, with TT:L and tactics+perception IO you can see them from 100 ft. makes them easy targets. If not planning on fighting stalkers take concealment to augment your stalker playstyle and phase, or fighting for tough/weave improved survivability. (stealth and mp don't stack so grab grant invis and stick a lotg 7.5 in it)
- Web Envelope + Shatter Armor from mace mastery, its so far beyond the other patron powers there's no comparison
- Build Up > Follow Up

Originally Posted by theOcho

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Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm

My MM uses the IO for a different reason... PvE. I trip mine mid-combat and moar def is good since I'm not a Bots/Traps, but a Mercs/Traps

Originally Posted by black_barrier

make me an avatar.

Originally Posted by SrsBsns

I went and saw a PvP counselor, the following is a transcription of our discussion:

Me: "I just can't seem to pvp effectively."

PvP Counselor: "What seems to be the problem?"

Me: "I can't get any kills and I die alot."

PvP Counselor: "What build are you using?"

Me: "A Fun/Happy time build."

PvP Counselor: "Have you tried looking into viable PvP builds?"

Me: "I like superman"

PvP Counselor: "No, like COH/COV builds that have proven to be effective in PvP."

Me: "Why don't they just change the game so I get can get kills and stay alive longer."

PvP Counselor: "Why don't you try getting with some experienced PvPers and have them teach you how to PvP. Game experiences change with online play you know, and it might be a good idea to learn to adapt."

Me: "No, they should changed the game."

PvP Counselor: "You should at least consider it and give it some thought."

Me: "No, change the game."

PvP Counselor: "What if I recommended some toons/builds to try out?"

Me: "No, I already have a Super Duper/Gipper Awesome build that punches things, and I'm working on a Ninja/Kitty strike build that flies and has fairy wings."

PvP Counselor: **Speechless**

Me: "K, change the game"

Originally Posted by Galactor

I am The Rad.
Ain't no other rad in PvP can even touch my build.
When the crap hits the fan, and the team needs a rad, they call ME, they don't ask Divine...and they sure don't ask Conflict or Barrier and they sure don't invite Dee'ceed. They invite ME.
I'm done.

Originally Posted by _Avid

Getting back on topic... limiting lineups is always a bad idea. It's bad enough that i13+ did most of that for you, no need to add to it.

Originally Posted by Tokyo

I know LR is borked. I'm just butt hurt that it was banned completely. Wouldn't mind limiting the ATs with the secondary, but banned was a bit harsh.

Originally Posted by Supermax

Only thing Virtue is good for is for allowing bad players to maintain huge egos. After they get owned on Freedom, they move to Virtue, do better because the competition is laughable, and then claim that Virtue is the better server.

Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm

Virtue has a lot. JOin us there.