PrincessDarkstar

Sorry for the butchered quote but I think this is quite important and I have just realised it recently.

If Nova and Dwarf forms were themselves very powerful then a lot more PB's would be taking them, yet PB's tend to end up mostly as human form. The reason Warshades work so well as tri-form is because the important human powers actually augment the forms, and I think that part is missing from PB's.

I like the idea of Warshades needing mobs and PB's being self sufficient, but the powers should have been more closely alligned so both PB and WS got powers that did the same but in different ways (IE: Build Up and Sunless Mire should always have been on the same timers, with Build Up being toned down to average out Sunless Mires performance).

That way Bright Nova would have just been the same as Dark Nova but averaged out without the highs and lows.

I think White Dwarf is balanced well enough though, I know Dark Dwarf can do some awesome damage, but White Dwarf Sublimation is one hell of a heal so you get the added longevity (I know the Dark Dwarf heal works out better over time but you spend so long casting it you lose out on an awful lot of damage doing so, and it is a massive end hog).

The biggest difference is Light Form v Eclipse, I think Light Form needs to be altered to allow shifting to other forms, and since I am not sure on the numbers it might need a nerf to compensate (And remove the crash).

Overall I think PB's and WS's should be more closely alligned, with PB's being 35-40% of a Warshades total power but constantly, with Warshades being allowed the higher peaks due to the inherant danger in casting their powers. The other differences would be that Warshades have controls as mitigation but PB's have the heals.

I think there are some people who want tweaks to Kheldians, and nobody is worried about that, and some people who want massive overhauls. Those wanting the wholesale changes have got some of us very defensive about anything negative, which I think is the reason some people are wary of anyone who wants any change.

The very fact that you don't like masterminds even though they are powerful is proof that even though you cannot define fun then you should at least try to and make things for different tastes.

Turning Khelds into overwhelming powerhouses may still not make any of those who dont play them start playing them, because it seems to me that most of the people who actually like playing Khelds also realise that they are powerful.

I find the corrolation between those who hate the shapeshifting mechanic and those complaining of a lack of power interesting.

Quite true, but if you disagree with something then you really need a good reason as to why. You can't on one hand say that fun is too subjective and you need to analyse effectiveness and then say you refuse to analyse effectiveness.

To me the fact that Khelds exist in the state they are in says the devs have analyses effectiveness and been happy with it.

Actually you are a faceless subscriber and your evaluation makes little difference in the grand scheme of things unless you back it up.

The only people that need charts are the ones that are saying something should be proved, you want to prove a design flaw or a performance failure then do so.

I though fun was too subective to talk about. Also I am having fun and you aren't, so shouldn't you stop playing?

It isn't their responsibility and they know this, however the devs don't have enough time to do anything and the old saying goes that if you want something doing you have to help yourself. Without the players helping out this game would have gone down the pan a long time ago.

Sorry I thought you were one of the ones wanting something to be proven? I know Khelds are fine and don't need to prove that.

I also find your viewpoint quite strange. You buy a single player game and dont like it so what do you do? Nothing. You have no recourse to get any changes made at all and the best you can hope for it a refund.

In CoX you do have a recourse, if you can show changes are needed then they will be made. The devs cannot possibly sift through the thousands of complaints on this forum to find out which are relevant and which are just people not liking certain things.

It isn't me trying to say they are failing.

The devs have shown themselves to be willing to change things when people prove the need so if you think changes are needed you are the one who needs to come up with the actual reasons, not just a few lines of rhetoric.

Sadly this.

I think they could change the mez protection to be frontloaded in the animation process, but I doubt they will change it anytime soon.

This (At least now that I remember the last time we had this kind of thread).

Although a lot of the time it will proc outside of combat, over a sustained period of time you will be getting a 2.5% damage increase. Some people slot for +dam and think it is worth it, some don't.

Really? I never knew that, good spot

Was that pre aggro cap so you would herd the whole map up then set the power on auto?

I would really like to see someone try rather than just spout rubbish.

And you seem to be acting like you expect something else?

Anyone who has problems with Khelds seems to be expecting them to beat some other AT in some aspect, that is not what they are meant to be.

Basically you are right thinking that the more places you put a slow proc the more chance it has of working but in practice it makes no difference and the slots are better used elsewhere.

Caltrops: Has so much slow the extra won't really matter
RttC: I hope the heal is still maxed out?
Quills: Who cares if anything gets slowed?

Not once in all my CoX life have I wished for a better slow power.

I wouldn't say PB's are 'fail' because that is a bit too insulting but I would definately say they need something else.

Warshades may be Jack-of-all-trades, but with a heavy emphasis on causing mass AoE carnage, and seem to me like 95% blaster + 80% controller + 80% scrapper/tank, where PB's don't feel like that have enough of an emphasis on anything really. They also aren't set up to take advantage of shapeshifting in the same way Warshades are so the forms do feel limiting for PB's.

Edit: I also don't think it is just high-end Warshades that are good, even on SO's a Warshade is imho powerful at all levels and the only character I have played where I looked forward to almost every single power or even the slots!

I only really have the 4 slots in my build (And would KILL for a melee damage set with 7.5% recharge as the 4th bonus!), but that is a good compromise.

I do half agree with you, but the set bonus' you can get from the hold sets are very appealing, especially if you only have limited slots left.

The thing with Gravity Well is that although it is an amazingly damaging power it sees more use in some playstyles that others. For those who use it a lot then slotting for damage is best, but if you only use it once in a blue moon then you probably get better mileage out of a hold set (Particularly 4 x Basilisks Gaze).

To use Unchain Essence actively would you not slot Gravity Well as an attack so you can easily 1 shot minions?

Ah I didn't notice that