PrincessDarkstar

This is the worst problem of all. Stay means "stay until told otherwise", not "Stay as long as you want".

Though the lift bug got me killed the other day as I went up a lift and my bots madly dashed through the walls and aggroed several groups including an EB before running back off downstairs leaving me with no bodyguards.

I must say that Electric Fences works awesomely with the Assault Bot, previously I had Black Scorpion as my patron (Thank god for patron respecs!) and took the Web Grenade from that for the -fly and underestimated the power of -kb.

The first mob I hit with Electric Fences + Swarm Missiles convinced me that my respec was the right choice

I can't see the Chance for Build Up working that well because it will go off because of the Swarm Missiles, and therefore only boost a single target attack. But it should still be an improvement.

You can edit powers within mids, so I found the Mastermind_Primary_Robotics set, and added a 7.5% defence to self, then when you click the green button you can see the buff.

It took a bit of trial and error.

Also: Thanks for confirming. I feel better about my build now

That 10% figure was picked out of my a*s to be fair, but aim for the stars and you might land on the moon

I think the modifier increase would help PB's over WS's because they use more melee attacks, and while it would help WS's too it would overall bring them closer I think.

The main reason for this change isn't to bring them closer however, it is make human form more useful. The power changes are what should be used to close the gap with Warshades.

Even though I was still reading through the thread when I read this I just had to post here:

LEAVE ECLIPSE ALONE!

I wouldn't sacrifice 35-45% resistance even for total mez protection AND a 100% damage boost. Not even if that applied globally to all my characters!

Now that I have read the whole thread I still agree with the -def and -res idea, and 10% to each power (On average - some powers do 5% some 15% etc) seems good enough to me and allows some good stacking.

However I am not sure any of this actually addresses the design weaknesses inherant in PB's. As far as I can see the idea behind Kheldians is that they should be able to shape shift and get great benefit from doing so, without leaving human form useless. So like a Warshade they need good synergy between the human buffs and the forms (Long durations/recharge buffs). The other problem is that a Warshade's self buffs lead to a control/damage role, and I think a PB's powers should give it a defence/damage role, but it is probably too late for that now.

I think a human modifier increase (PB and WS though) would help, so would shortening the amination of the form change (To 1 second I think - All ways). That would increase the overall usefulness of human form and tri-form too.

Then a few of the powers need looking at; Change the human PBAoE to KD so it becomes an attack rather than a control (And it is a very good attack power); Lower the recharge on Photon Seekers to make them more like Unchain Essence than Dark Extraction; Change Build Up to be more like Fiery Embrace and I am not sure what else off the top of my head.

The other thing that really needs help though is White Dwarf. I love how Black Dwarf Mire makes Black Dwarf feel awesome, but White Dwarf has nothing similar and you just feel like a meat shield causing very little damage. I am not sure how they could change that though since it is meant to be a defensive form, just the extra resistance you get isn't really enough to warrant the lack of damage. I think the idea of a leadership like aura here is quite good, something similar to reflecting the inherant back to the team, which is something I suggested in another thread.

I love this quote

Thanks for that, it is what I am thinking about because they have much higher DPA than the filler attacks I have been using.

Cant his be used seamlessly, or am I just going to have to put up with gaps?

Cheers, I will give it a read (I remember reading it ages ago but it probably has grown a bit since).

Edit: And thanks DSorrow for the builds, will give me something to build on when I finally get some real time next week.

Ah cool, in that case if you are already at this point you have probably reached the limit of what +recharge can do for you, so purples won't be a great deal of help

The toons that benefit from that extra recharge (The best thing about purples imho - aside from the procs) the most are controllers and other characters with really really long recharge key powers that can't quite make the recharge they need any other way, or at least can't do so without some major sacrifices.

I don't rush through missions but I do play on +0/x8 (Will go up to +2/x8 when I actually finish the build since I am only 95% there at the moment) I will just consider myself lucky

I have seen this written a lot and I don't know if my Protector Bots are just lazy or something but I have never seen them with <50% end, no matter how big of a battle I am in, and that is with no endurance reduction.

Which of their powers uses a lot of endurance?

I made it to the high 40's before I realised the power of bodyguard mode, so you aren't alone lol

I just have this hatred of any of my bots getting killed, it really makes me sad, much more than when I let a team member die because I was too busy saving my bots

It made the levels up until softcapping the bots very painful.