PrincessDarkstar

On Khelds I can understand skipping fitness (Hasten less so), I was more having a rant against those who 'refuse' to take powers based entirely off the fact that they don't like being 'forced' into something.

I see so many people moaning that stamina should be inbuilt and they refuse to take it as a result it does my head in. Why would you limit your own performance based on that logic? I can understand if you toon doesn't need it, but at least have some real reason for not picking it rather than something made up!

Though I suspect that was semi-joking...

If you have to ask then the answer is no. It is one of those powers that should only be skipped if you really know what you are missing out on and have some kind of reason for. If you haven't got a reason then it is usually the wrong power to skip.

Sorry my reply was a bit flippant, I was in a rush

Unfortunately although I know Bots quite well I don't know /Dark much so can't help much further. The only thing I can say is that an immob with -kb is an absolute godsend, I played my Bots/FF for ages without Electric Fences, then as soon as I respecced I felt like a god!

I think if Hasten went that way it would be reduced to about 20 or 30% +recharge and become much less use to those who like it the most. Though I admit it would probably be of more use to the masses who don't build for perma-Hasten.

As to the comment about a luxury, I would agree on some builds (Mainly SO or normal IO builds) when it isn't up very often, but the OP did state he was looking at +recharge builds, taking it well into the ranks of an important power.

You changed your summary to exactly what it should have been, you don't feel poorer, and that is what I was saying.

It doesn't mean adding Hasten wouldn't make you better, it just means you don't feel you need to make any changes. That isn't a bad thing by any means.

I just don't like seeing any posts which can make someone who doesn't quite know everything make the wrong decision. I always understood your logic in not picking Hasten, I just don't think others should be thinking about not picking it unless they are fully aware how much difference it can make.

I always try and point out facts as best I can, people can make their own mind up how they use those facts. In this case the fact is that Hasten improves most builds.

It isn't really anything to do with DPS particularly, because that requires more power thought and slotting, but why would anyone not want their best attacks up more often?

Also as mentioned Conserve Power for PB's and Eclipse for Warshades benefits massively from Hasten and I can't see any reason you wouldn't want those back faster.

Thats just it, just because you don't aim for max builds doesn't mean you can deny that a max build is better, so yes you are poorer for not going for it. Your build can still be good and I would never say otherwise or criticise anyone for not picking Hasten, but they can't really say they are not poorer for not having it.

I don't think it is quite that close to the line, must have powers increase your abilities in an obvious way so that nobody can deny it. Actually gettting max performance out of anything is an inexact science however.

I would agree totally and I wouldn't do anything stupid like kick a strange build from my team, but equally I am never going to stand by and let people think that not taking the 'key' powers is a good idea.

Well in CoX particularly you don't need a good build to do well enough, but I think aiming to not be the best is bad idea, everyone should always aim to be the best they can be and I think people should always be encouraged to be as good as they can be.

Specific aims like 'best DPS' are just as out there as 'roleplaying' builds and unless someone specifically states that they don't like Hasten or whatever I would always assume they want to take the key powers.

That is the best suggestion I have ever seen. Particularly the armor set

I almost cried just reading about them! I think seeing them would have made me cry. Or maybe report them as trying to deliberately grief me!

When I look at PB builds I see two reasons to take Hasten.

1 - Even in the forms you do not have a smooth attack chain out the box, and Hasten helps this massively - and gets you closer to your ideal attack chain. It also lets you get your heals recycled faster, thus increasing your attack and survivability. Even accounting for recharge slotting in the powers and Hasten's downtime you are looking at a 10% increase in effectiveness just from one power, maybe even more.

2 - Long recharge powers like Photon Seekers and Conserve Power are helped massively

However I cannot see a single good reason not to take it, especially if you are making a recharge build because why would you want to spend any inf at all getting recharge while missing out on the single biggest source available to you?

To me it seems like some people skip Hasten (And Stamina) out of some kind of vendetta against 'must have' pool powers. It isn't individual to go not pick them, it is more like cutting off your nose to spite your face (IE: A bad idea just in the quest for non-conformity). Individuality would be making a green costume, not skipping a very very useful power.

Stating that you have never been the poorer for it is quite a big statement. You may have not felt poor (And may not have been actually poor), but there are very few builds that cannot be improved by it.

At the end of the day if you want your build to be the best it can be then there are very few reasons to justify excluding Hasten.

7 posts and you have already had to disable reputation. Welcome to ignore.

I have a BoTZ -KB in Speed Boost on my Fire/Kin and it never seems to be active, even when running at level 50. I am not sure if it is just a bug in Speed Boost though because even using the power doesn't always give me the bonus.

Lord Recluse and Stateman are the only Incarnates in CoX at the moment. The term Incarnate is I think used to mean 'Of godly origin', since LR and States got their power from the Well of the Furies, which is something to do with the Greek gods.

Perhaps there will be a third one somewhere (Or they may be talking about Tyrant), or it could be a new origin. But I would think for it to be a playable character it would have to be VERY powerful.