Player99

elec/ elec or eng becomes "lol pve" after powersink/boost along with short circuit

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I am, dont worry :P

Im also trying to see if altering the chain to alter defiance buffs come into play as well...

If they made sparky either into a machine gun or do more dam, it may be all it needs..

It trades damage for safety IMO, but its not good by itself in the safety dept, unless paired just right.

Now that that is out of the way, what do you all think could be the highest DPS achievable by the kings of damage?

True, true.

I do sacrifice DPS for safety it seems when I play my namesake, I mean, nothing was a threat to me after lvl 35, and after shocking grasp the game was a cakewalk.

However, by itself It cant do AoE blaptrolling, unless combined with /ice, /elec/ or /eng (due to more drain, ice's utility mixed with drains, or powerboost)

and when it cant do it's job in that sense, what does it have?

It has a pet which is essentially a Pwe-Pwe machine, yet it isnt too good at ST...the heck?

The chest slider

Truth, but i cast it before combat starts.

And wouldnt resummoning a free source of extra 33dps be worth it?


(just a thought, but if we can prove via this that Elec is actually far behind in DPS....think it could see a buff? )

Hmn, I thought that the buff applied once the activation was done?

anywho, I use the sparky buff as a means to "get teh ball rolling", having done slightly more damage for 10sec of the chain, thus doing more damage total over the time i do it

Ok, an update to my old chain:

Voltaic Sentinel / / Def Timer: 0.0 sec
C. Brawl(1st): (109*(1+.205+.255+.9749)) = 265.40 / Act: .924 / Def Timer: .924 sec / 0 sec
C. Bolt(1st): (62.6*(1+.26+.255+1.009)) = 158 / Act: 1.188 / Def Timer: 2.112 sec / 1.188
L. Bolt(1st): (102.6*(1+.326+.255+1.009)) = 265.73 / Act: 1.848 / Def Timer: 3.96 / 3.036
C.Brawl(2nd): (109*(1+.436+.255+.9749)) = 290.58 / Act: .924 / Def Timer: 4.884 / 3.96
C.Bolt(2nd): (62.6*(1+.491+.255+1.009)) = 172.46 / Act: 1.188 / Def Timer: 6.072 / 5.148
L. Bolt (2nd): (102.6*(1+.557+.255+1.009)) = 289.43 / Act: 1.848 / Def Timer: 7.92 / 6.996
C.Brawl (3rd): (109*(1+.667+.255+.9749)) = 315.76 / Act: .924 / Def Timer: 8.844 / 7.92
C. Bolt (3rd): (62.6*(1+.722+.255+1.009)) = 186.92 / Act: 1.188 / Def Timer: 10.032 / 9.108<- last attack effected by 1st CB buff
L.Bolt (3rd): (102.6*(1+(.788-.055)+.255+1.009)) = 307.49 / Act: 1.848 / Def Timer: 11.88 <-last attack effected by sparky buff.

Total Dam: 2251.77 / Total Act:11.88

DPS: 189.54 + 33.18 = 222.72

This is....a bit off of what my original formula was.
In lught of this, I have made a list of info of possible additions to make a new chain, to garner more DPS.
The only thing im iffy on is whether I should add ThunderStrike as a Starter...


havoc: (144.6*(1+.205+.255+.9749))= 352.09 / Act 1.584 / Def buff: 9.9 for 9sec / Rech: 4.76 / DPS: 55.5
ShG: (100.1*(1+.205+.255+.9749))= 243.73 / Act 1.188 / Def Buff: 6.6 for 8.5sec / Rech: 5.53 / DPS: 36.28
elecF: (62.6*(1+.205+.255+.714))= 136.09 / Act 1.32 / Def Buff: 7.7 for 8.67sec / Rech: 1.62 / DPS: 46.29
CBolt: (62.6*(1+.205+.255+1.009))= 155.56 / Act 1.188 / Def Buff: 6.6 for 8.5sec / Rech: 1.39 / DPS: 60.34
LBolt: (102.6*(1+.205+.255+1.009))= 253.32 / Act 1.848 / Def Buff: 11 for 9.17sec / Rech: 2.79 / DPS: 54.62
CBrawl: (109*(1+.205+.255+.9749))=265.4 / Act: .924 / Def Buff: 5.5 for 8.33sec / Rech: 3.4 / DPS: 61.38

TStrike: (165.7*(1+.205+.255+.963))= 401.49 / Act 3.432 / Def Buff: 7.8 for 10.8sec / Rech: 6.66 / DPS: 39.78

Sparky: +33.18 DPS to chain / Act 3.466 / Def Buff: 20.5 for 10.6 sec

I managed to do this for "base" damage now, please point out any flaws:

109 + (62.6 x 1.055) + (102.6 x 1.121) + (109 x 1.231) + (62.6 x 1.286) + (102.6 x 1.352) + (109 x 1.462) + (62.6 x 1.517) + (102.6 x (1.583 - .055)) + ((109 x 1.638)/1.205)

109 + 66.043 + 115.0146 + 134.179 + 80.5036 + 138.7152 + 159.358 + 94.9642 + 156.7728 + 148.1676 = 1202.718 / 12.8 sec = 93.96 + 33.18 = 127.14 DPS

1202.718 x 1.255 = 1509.411 x 1.205 = 1818.84 / 12.8 = 142.1 + 33.18 = 175.27 DPS

1818.84 x 1.998 = 3634.04 / 12.8 sec = 283.91 dps + 33.18= 317.09 DPS


the 1.998 modifier is the enhanced damage I have on those powers.

This seems to be the only attempt at adding defiance into a chain Ive seen as well >.>

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Player99, his point was that all damage buffs (such as those from defiance, buffs like Fulcrum Shift, and enhancements) are added up and then multiplied by the base damage of the attack (not the enhanced damage). A 100 base damage attack will be slotted up to around 200 damage (195ish really, but shush), but a 30% damage buff from defiance will then raise it to 230 damage, not 260 damage. If you hit Build Up (and still had the 30% defiance boost) then the 100 base dmg attack would do 330 damage.

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allright, but in the end, wouldnt i have to add the enhanced damage to the equation anyways?

like:

100 base x Defiance buff= 150 dam x enhanced = 300 damage.

wouldnt that be the same as:

100 x enhanced= 200 dam x def buff = 300 damage?


@Bim, you forgot to add server lag to the activation times.

the real times would be

1sec= 1.188
.83sec= .924

quick brag point:

the numbers shown are my current build, with only the purple set is in Voltaic sentinel

@ umbral:

Then how would one calculate Defiance?

What im doing is adding the damage buff to a x1 multiplier.

so:

100 damage x 1= 100 damage (base, essentially)

100damage x1(+6.6% def buff):
100 x1.066 =106.6
100 x1.066 (+6.6% def buff again):
100x1.132 =113.2

Seeing as the buff applies during the whole duration of the buff, it can easily stack as a small multiplier effect.

If I carry on the formula, as I did in the ranged damage chain, I simply find out when the buff would wear off, and subtract it from the equation for the attack it next applies to.

In fact, after a bit of blasting I regularly see Lighting bolt hitting for 244ish

also note that I am not starting at base, I have a 25.5% natural damage buff, as well as a 20.5% buff from voltaic sentinel starting the chain. so Im allready hitting with a +46% buff

while working with those buffs, I add teh damage of Voltaic sentinel which adds a decent amount to my chain.

going into semantics a bit myself, i never said I broke 300...i said I pushed it.

now, I have a constant 25.5 damage buff, and 102.5% rech with hasten, and a 28sec downtime with it, but lets not focus on that, because the fight should be over in most cases before hasten goes away.

my chain is Charged brawl-> Charged Bolt-> Lightning Bolt-> Charged Brawl.

If I cast Voltaic sentinel before the battle (and after hasten goes off) I end up with this:

243.1 + (141.6 x 1.055) + (232.3 x 1.121) + (243.1 x 1.231) + (141.6 x 1.286) + (232.3 x 1.352) + (243.1 x 1.462) + (141.6 x 1.517) + (232.3 x (1.583 - .055)) + ((243.1 x 1.638)/1.205) = 2703.95(1.205)= 3258.26 / 12.8 = 254.55 + 33.18 = 287.73

that is whithin the Sparky buff, and at teh end Sparky's DPS is simply added, as it is not truly a part of my attack chain, but an additional source.

Afte rthe sparky buff is gone, it averages out, possibly losing 2-3 dps. as shown on the ranged damage chain here, after the sparky buff is gone, the chain continues for a minute until i need to resummon sparky, which will provide a large defiance buff of itself, and only result in a small loss of DPS, followed by a gain due to the buff (coupled with existing defiance boosts from previous attacks, which will still be active during the cast, and affec the possible next 1-2 attacks, coupled witha sparky attack)

EDIT: Jad, is your next toon an Elec3? or just a blaster?

I know there is a thread on this in general AT section, but nothing really specific has come from it, so I came here to pose the question:

What is the best DPS a blaster can pump out? (regardless of survivability)

The best ranged/melee chain?

Best over 1-2min? best over long period?

Ive figured out that my own elec3 has a chain that can pump out around 200 ranged DPS essentially as long as I dont miss, and with a tiny fluctuation that evens out after Casting Voltai sentinel (defiance boosts the following attacks up to smooth out the cast time's subtraction to DPS)

And if I chain in my melee attacks, I can push 300.

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99% of blasters = blasters with soft capped ranged defense?

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LOL, hell no!

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yeah, im built for regen, hp and damage.

sure, its eccentric, but it works wonderfully :P

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Unfortunately, the sets that add damage aren't the sets that add recharge.

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My theory is that recharge >>>> more damage buff.

The reason is with defiance, you already get a large damage buff the more often you attack, so building to attack faster generates more damage in and of itself.

The trick is to have enough end at all times to sustain a blistering attack pace. But once you achieve high recovery, having massive recharge outperforms +damage bonuses by far.

This is especially true for AoE builds where the powers generally recharge slower then single target attacks. you want your fireball/firebreath, etc. up as often as possible to blast through large groups quickly.

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not necesarily, I mena, if you have enough recharge where you have a seamless chain , it gets redundant to add more. At that point more damage makes it better

on top of that, the higher damage means bigger defiance numbers throughout your chain of attacks, resulting in better damage

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That 20% is a maximum value. Remember, it scales depending on how far you deviate from the correct color.

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please, dont encourage this man

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Pff. So that's where all my scrapper's crits are going.

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Well, us villains do like stealing things...

Back in the day, right after the Stalker changes there was something neat I did:

A double critical.

Then I got even luckier and landed something amazing: A critical AS.

People other than me reported this too, and seeing as it was exceedingly rare for the natural crit to co-allign with the hide crit (how you double crit) it was kept in game.

Now, the question is, does it still exist?

I know my stalker has done this a handful of times in the past, yet my friend has not, and Im trying to convince him that it can happen...well does it still?

ok, trying my search fu resulted in many, many talks about radiation emission and regen scrappers...

essentially, is there a list somewhere of enemy regen rates?(on average)

for example:

Minion=blah
Lt=filler
boss=insert rate here
AV=over 9000

etc, etc?

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its kind of a tradeoff, you do more damage, more often, than less damage, alot of the time.

saves endurance

my elec blasts will be greenish, to match vangaurd wizards


ooh, i wonder if they can let you change Sparky's color...

best music blue side is found in brick's

And there is some trippy stuff when you go far out in the Rularuu place &lt;.&lt;

YES!

allright, so it effects everything...

One final question:

Is it permanent until you die? or is it on a kind of cycle?

for instance, you do heal A, then heal B. after that you do debuff A, Buff A the debuff B.

after 5 different attacks/effects/etc, will it recycle so heal A will be full effectivness?

Ive noticed my elec3 blaster can still drain opponents, one of the main reasons I asked

does it effect fury and defiance though?