Pious

* Edited my last paragraph there slightly. Gotta stop doing that. By the way, I understand your point now Grey, well said.

I'm of the impression that we are government sanctioned (FBSA, DATA, GIFT, MAGI, SERAPH, ELITE) and licensed to save, similar to Marvel's SHIELD initiative, although City of Heroes did it first. Yay us. Arctic Princess, I think I know what you're saying... that if such an abhorrent act like killing, even criminals, was condoned to common heroes, we would be crossing that moral line that seperates us from the villains and keeps us sane. You're saying that unlike the Etoile Isle's crooked government, the United States just wouldn't allow its citizens to kill, not without consequences, regardless of circumstances. And you argue that the likes of Homeland Security, Longbow, Vanguard, and PPD SWAT have circumstancial authority to kill because of a special 'military' or 'police' status. So your answer to the original question, like most other people so far, is "common heroes, authority to kill, no, its not plausible", I'm I right? Either way, I think you make a very good point.

Although, it means good old Johnny "Maverick" Cain from the bank robbery scenario would be facing prison, even though he might've saved the lives of those hostages. We're looking at a Punisher type problem. As the myth, the legend, the man, Matt "Positron" Miller explained it at Hero Con 09, redeemed-villain rogues and fallen-hero vigilantes are part of the Going Rogue expansion and will eventually be able to migrate to Paragon City. Does this mean they'll be subject to our laws and be expected to behave? Matt says they have their own 'code' that they live by and see themselves, for whatever reason, as being above the Law. As roleplayers, what do we do, how would we react, when the inevitable happens and some new and controversial fallen-hero vigilante supergroup from Praetoria (or not, they could be home-grown) suddenly surfaces and begins to clean our streets with blood, fighting the fire with a bigger fire, making three left turns to make a right, unleashing their own brand of punishment where our justice system fails, ignoring the laws of man and acting by a different code, even calling the shots that kills that one perpetrator and saves a thousand lives... including yours. So the question is, it may be unlawful, but is it absolutely wrong to be vigilante? To be renegade?

Imagine a bank robbery in Steel Canyon. Big shiny lobby with two dozen hostages pinned to the ground at gunpoint. The armed madman is waving his machine gun around threatening to plant a bullet in one hostage for every minute the bank manager wastes not giving him and his boys the vault access codes. SWAT police and costumed heroes are otherwise engaged in a Rikti invasion downtown. You happen to be one of the face-down hostages, you got a loaded piece under your shirt and your aim is pretty good, given the circumstances. With your mind's eye, you pick your targets and picture your maneuver. There are six, maybe seven of them, each armed to the teeth with guns and knives. They may even be drugged up on 'Dyne. If you shoot to maim, you would quickly be overpowered and it'll all go south, the innocent hostages would be dead because of your stupidity. But if you fired six or seven lava hot headshots, you might live to see the hostages escape. You wait it out, praying for a hero, a policeman, anything, to swoop in and save the day. Nothing. Now you're just hoping this desperate gunman is bluffing, no way he would kill twenty four people just to make a point. Blam, a little blonde kid bleeds out. Blam! His mum bites a bullet. Now what do you do?

In a situation like this, is it believable to pull out that loaded piece, blow the seven lunatics to hell and whip out your hero ID, hold it high and shout, "It's alright, don't panic. You're safe now, I'm Johnny "Maverick" Cain and I'm licensed to kill." In real life, vigilantees can't just go around killing the bad guys, can they? It's criminal. But in a situation like this, if old Johnny kept his hands tied and did nothing drastic, everyone would've gotten dead, plus a ward upwards of $800000 cash would've gone walkies. My question is, would that be enough to send the FBSA and Law Enforcement issuing a 'permit to execute' to already licensed heroes? Is that plausible, or would they just recruit more policemen? To get away with righteous murder, would Johnny have to have been an immigrated Praetorian rogue? See what I'm saying?

How plausible is it that Paragon City's unique Law Enforcement and the FBSA government agency who license metahumans to save helpless civilians, might train a select few heroes and empower onto them, like Police Officers, the authority to kill in order to save? This question came to me in light of the coming wave of pistol-wielding shooters. As writers and roleplayers, do you think it is believable, and would it be largely acceptable, that the FBSA and Law Enforcement, or whoever it need be, would entrust onto a few truely heroic superhuman citizens, who are already licensed to save, the authority to kill? And why? Or why not, as the case may be? The Zig too unreliable, too full to hold the criminals and thus certain heroes may now shoot to kill? Or is the judge, jury and executioner problem too much power for one hero? Help please, lets talk.

wb!

Feel free now to ask questions, organise yourselves, plan a race, comment on this idea and such. Enjoy!

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Assault on Bloody Bay was supposed to happen a few days ago but I'm not sure what went on. I wasn't there. Haven't been able to access my account recently, which is a bit of a shame. The villain invasion mass PvP will happen soon, I love RP PvP and community-wide plots too much to forget this one.

Yeah. Alright lets do this on Saturday 17th. I have edited the OP.

Excellent! It is decided then. Next week, we go to war!

Pistol's fifth invasion! The war is back on, and this time, its personal! Join the march against Paragon city or help fight it off!

Union server supergroup PvP massacre! Saturday October 17th all battlezones will be raided, non-combatants are advised to seek shelter!

Hello everyone! I spoke with some of the leaders of the Super Union, Art of War, Bloodsong, New Heroes Union, Dirty Hand Prints, League of Villains, Court of the Blood Countess etc. and so far it's clear that large scale cross-SG PvP is definitely something of common interest. We did it two years ago and it was a really good event. The idea is for all participating supergroups, villain or hero to simply raid all the PvP zones in one day. By fighting in all four zones, everyone who can, will get a go and you could even use different characters in each zone. By fighting all in one night as opposed to several nights, the fire of the four battles is lit, stoke and burnt out with high octane. So, I hereby invite all warriors available the weekend of Saturday the 17th to join this great march against Paragon City or help fight it off. Speak out your thoughts here in this thread but go out there and spread the news of this impending war! See you there!

Proposed schedule: (/servertime or BST -1)

Bloody Bay (15-25) will be raided from 4pm-6pm (Heroes vs Villains)
Sirens Call (20-30) will be raided from 6pm-8pm (Heroes vs Villains)
Warburg (30-38) will be raided from 8pm-9pm (Rumble)
Recluse Victory (40-50) will be raided from 9pm-10pm (Heroes vs Villains)

Sorry if the time doesn't suit you, its strikes me as the best way to even up the event. Couple of years ago, people got really tired out by 9pm. However, the good thing is that nobody is restricted to these times, the fight can keep going in Sirens Call while the next one starts in Warburg. I think its necessary to have a set order, but it's also good that people are free to fight as they like, when they like. This way, the event is fun for all. Oh and, yes, this event is in line with the Assault on Bloody Bay story, so be in-character if you wish, some of this will be included in online comicbook Priest #6. Don't forget to /chanjoin Zone Raid.

Pious had never seen anything like it in all his battling career. He simply watched in surprise and awe as the suspect truck towered above him, morphing into a giant humanoid war machine and blasting out music. He failed to register the danger as tiny, bluish flames danced above the armored behemoth's wrists and suddenly shot towards him. He was completely engulfed in flames, his red and blue sports Lycra singed lightly but cooled quickly as a viscous gel defensively washed over the hero's body. Snapping out of his trance, Pious retaliated by blasting forth a wormhole designed to teleport the enemy a mile away, which would give him just enough time to recuperate and strategize.

With the evidence missing, Pious had no option but to agree with the heroine. He gave the reptilian a hard long look and reluctantly turned to leave.