Phoenix_Katt

Mars' WoW and CoH are following each others' examples I would say, which is why I love both games equally.

Anyway...besides that, all I wanted to say was nice to bat the opinions around but sadly, the reason I don't often post on forums is because when two intellectuals converse back and forth, someone reading has to put in their...I'll call it two-cents for politeness sake...and try to stir up trouble or react to what was posted in a bad way...as has happened now. Which is why I hadn't wanted to respond earlier.

As such, happy hunting in CoH...and when you finally are able to get WoW installed, I hope you enjoy the game as much as I do. In fact, to prove there are no hard feelings, which there never was but regardless... let me know when you get there and I'll show ya around though you'd have to pick my server

As for my comment concerning Clinton, I wasnt saying he hasn't provided info for the forum community to read. But alas, till CoV is officially ready for release, anything that is said is just .. hmm.. not speculation because some does come from resources..but everything is subject to change. Even if said info comes from the Dev's...everything is subject to change until CoV is ready for release...and heck...as with any online game, things are always subject to change after it's released. That is the appeal with online games, nothing is constant, nothing is ever the same.. things are always happening and changing.

I am going to Comment on Mars' post even though I said I wouldn't be posting anymore. Only because he has been complimentary of my posts.

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Looking solely at the method of delivery is, IMO, an incredibly short-sighted way of looking at things. Don't look at how it is delivered, look at the content that is being received. Like I mentioned above, patches do not do the following:

1 - Raise the level cap
2 - Give a new zone (The Hollows)
3 - Give another new zone (Striga)
4 - Implement PvP

In addition, like I mentioned above, Cryptic/NCSoft is trying a new method of delivering major updates to their customers. For free!!


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Okay...sigh..going to try to explain this one more time for the small minded people out there that can't seem to grasp this concept.

WoW, World of Warcraft if some don't know, Has patch day on Tuesdays. Patch days can consist of anything from updating code, or fixing bugs...to implimenting brand new areas. Yes..this is a "patch" that they put in that can sometimes add brand new areas.

About a month ago, maybe a bit more, it was Battlegrounds and a few more new end-game instances. Instance being zones to anyone who hasn't played it. About a week or two ago, it was another new end game area as well as a new...hmm...reward area is all I can think of to call it. These were all done by patching.

These were major updates..major expansions if you will. Blizzard could have said "You know...we could put these on disc, and ship them to the stores and make our players buy this in order to play it." But they didn't. So CoH isn't unique in doing that. So in so far as there not being an 'expansion' on the shelves for the consumer to buy for WoW, you are correct Mars' though not in the thought of WoW not having major patch/expansions to the game with brand new content, raised lvls, new areas. As well as...to again quote you "Implement PvP." Battlegrounds was added as a seperate 'Zone' for players to go and PvP the enemy..the bad guy...the villian. This allowed PvP to happen in the game itself, which was already there in the game, as well as specific areas that players could go and PvP in ... ie Battlegrounds.

What Dark and I are trying to explain to you all, whom seem to ignore the actual words and in your brain Assume what we are trying to say, is this. And don't get me wrong, this is a failing of anyone online.

CoV is basically an expansion to CoH. Anyone not having CoH can buy it, and still have access to CoH areas, even though their character is a Villian. No..not all areas...but they get most everything. This isn't a 'unique' concept since many online games do the same thing, they just don't try to convince their players that this is unique and different and that it's a totally different game.

If CoV was a different game, then those who purchase CoV and play Villians would not be able to interact with CoH in any form. They would have their own servers. They may have the same maps, but someone playing a Hero will not come face to face with someone playing a Villian. If they came across 'heroes' it would be like us coming across archvillians. They would be NPC's.

And the other point that Dark and I have been trying to make...is why make their already paying customers of CoH, not only go and Buy Cov in order to get that content, but also ask them to pay more? UO, FFXI, SWG...you don't go out and buy the big expansion with the new content then have to create Another account and pay an additional fee to play it. You use your already exisiting account your already exisiting dollar amount nothing changes. And all three of them have major new content and could be considered 'stand-alone' games. And they could do as NCSoft/Cryptic want to do to their existing CoH customers, ask them to pay an additional fee just to get to that content and continue to play it.

As for what the big deal is and why it's sad when CoH players will still get updates to their game when CoV comes out...as I've tried to make clear before...is that there are going to be those out there that HAVE CoH that WANT CoV to play as well, and can't afford to purchase it or can't afford the additional fee. Heck there will probably be those out there with multiple CoH accounts, like Dark tried to point out, say one for each family member (example: Mother, Father, Son) so they can all play at once if they wanted...who will want to play CoV as well...so you are talking, 3 seperate accounts from my example, each with a monthly fee. Okay...following so far? Now they want CoV, so instead of just 3 seperate accounts with monthly fees for CoH, they are now looking at 6 accounts...3 for Coh and 3 for CoV each with fees associated with it.

Now I know what some out there reading this is going to think. 'Well if they can afford that many accounts, then they can just cancel some to take the others' On that note...lets say you who are reading this has a lvl 50 character that you've worked hard on building. Are you going to be so willing to give up that beloved character and cancel that account...delete that character just to switch to CoV? Most will say no, though I'm sure there will be some that play CoH that will cancel their accounts and change to just CoV and vice versa.

That isn't the point...the point is for those of us that have multiple accounts and want CoV, or even multiple CoV's, we shouldn't be asked to create and be charged for new Accounts. Cryptic/NCSoft should have it all linked together, so that my login name for CoH can be used to open CoV. No...the characters won't be the same, but still..one account. And no additional fees.

And on a last note since I seem to be going on way longer than I had planned. I know that we won't know if there will be an additional fee, let alone if there is, what amount it will be. I'm sry, not even Clint whom thinks that he is Mr. know-it-all can say. He can only guess or assume or hope or even quote what officials have hinted at before. Until Pre-Orders come out, or until Cryptic/NCSoft make an official announcement, we wont know.

So that is the last I'm saying about additional costs. I, unlike others, am patient to wait for the official word to see what it will be, if anything. The main thing that Dark was trying to say and I agreed with, I just stated above.

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Why so sad? Cryptic provides plenty of content updates for no additional charge. CoV is optional for people that enjoy CoH. This is the USA the last time I checked. It's not illegal or immoral to expect compensation for services rendered.

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I think you need to reread what I said. Though you quoted it so you would think you would use your eyes and your brain instead of just reacting like a child.

I said... Players of CoH will still have to go buy CoV if they want that content. Period. So why you felt you had to go and restate what I said is unknown to me. As for it being sad? If one wants to play that content they have to go Buy that content...hmm...more money outta pocket when the economy is like it is...for some getting CoV isn't an option or won't be.. for awhile. So yes, that is sad. Did I say that it was illegal or immoral for Cryptic/NCSoft to ask consumers to pay for that Expansion...umm...no. So don't put words in my mouth.

As for your comment to my second monthly fee or otherwise comment. All I have to say to you is ... Grow-up.



As for Leech...decipher it how you will, think how you will. But I know from experience playing many online games, that there are large patches that come out that are just that..patches..and they expand on exisiting content. WoW is a perfect example since they implemented many new areas with a patch. Players weren't asked to go out and Buy a new WoW expansion Pack to get the content.


And with that...I will not be posting again here. I refuse to play back and forth with kiddies. I stated my opinions, you stated yours. Leave it at that. My views, and my opinions and my thoughts are just that ... mine. And yours are yours. Essentially, don't try to change my and I'm not going to try to change yours.

I'm not sure whom said it...I don't feeling like going back up and quoting them..but CoV is NOT the first game to allow a player to play the villian. What about World of Warcraft? I'm sry, but are we not allowed to play either the Alliance *good guy* consisting of Humans, Night Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes and allow you to PvP the Horde *bad guy* consisting of Orcs, Trolls, Undead, and Taurens....and vice versa? If I'm wrong, then I guess I better go back and relog in *my other fave game* and relook at my Undead Warlock because as far as I or anyone that plays that game or Blizzard is concerned that is good guy v.s bad guy and allows pvp. And Blizzard even implimented all of it's upgrades without making their customers have to go out and buy a new expansion to play them. And yes..some of theirs were as big as CoH's has been.

As for UO, FFXI, SWG...they all have the original game...then they have expansions which the subscriber has to go buy and install in order to play in the latest areas get the latest items etc, and not have to pay for a second account. But...someone whos never had the game could go and buy the latest and still get all that. They are as well expansions. A patch is something that is DL'd to update your game before logging in...as in the Issues that CoH has or calls them...no matter how big or small the patch is. An Expansion is something that you can go out and purchase to add extremely new and overly large content to your game. You don't have to go purchase it though to play what you already have. CoV is essentially an Expansion Pack, no matter what they wanna call it. If it was a stand alone, they wouldn't be able to interact with the CoH paying customers, the 'Heroes' of their realm would be all npc's just like for us, our 'villians are all npc's. Again, no matter how they wanna call it...Stand Alone, Expansion..or Stand-Alone-Expansion...it's still an Expansion Pack, and their dedicated CoH paying customers should not have to pay for a second monthly fee just to get that content. Pay for the Expansion itself...no way to get around that in any online game..but not another monthly fee.

In fact..take SWG. THeir latest...TOtal Experience...you can go and get that, have access to everything that came before, and get Anakin's Speedster as a ty for buying gift...OR... if you already have SWG, you could go to their website, DL the expansion, paying a very low minimal fee because you already have the game..and as a result instead of the speedster you can get Obie's Lizard ride as the ty gift.

Now...from my understanding...and I'd sorely love to hear from an actual developer or someone that works for NCSoft that takes care of the boards and answering questions for their players....Players of CoH will still have to go buy CoV if they want that content...sad..but I'm so used to it now with all the online games I play that it doesn't phase me anymore. But in doing that, they create a new log in name for CoV, because it would be like having the icon for CoH on your computer and having the icon for CoH's training server...they are two different entities...but that your CoH and CoV names would be linked to your billing account, and no added monthly fees will be assesed. You only pay for the one account. On the other hand, you dont' have CoH, you buy CoV, then you of course have the monthly fee.

But as I said, and as I read through this last page...the only ones answering are players with what they think will happen, or hope will happen, or fear will happen....we need to hear from a person of Authority over this.

I have to agree with Darklite, that if NCSoft is going to make the CoH player not only pay for CoV, but also a second monthly fee, fulll or otherwise, is absurd and shows that all they care about is getting money...and that is no way to treat your paying customers because they will in turn leave. I've seen it happen one to many times in other online games.

Only my two-cents...and I'll say it again, as noone else has said..I'm not an authority for NCSoft, so nothing I've said is what is actually happening and all we can do is sit and wait...and hopefully our answers will come soon.