Phillygirl

Pfft i was just making an excuse to talk to the sexy that is smoke, well really i just use him to get to ele. Besides he ment Tempty and Fairy.

Hehe I'll tell you tonight...

True story

You just tell him how you want them rolled. eg random rolls at x lvl or a few recipies. It's actually a rather cleaver way to award merits as a prize. Pum and Cai (those i have seen do this) are in my opinion beyond repute for giving you exactly what they roll.

Yes but you are not accounting for the other groups of players Pum, it's not just S and N.

Lets take the ITF for example if i may(based on my personal experience and observations):

You can run that in what under 25 min?

Group on freedom that runs TF's all day do it in 30-40min

Pug speedish ITF on both Justice and Freedom 35min-1hr

Pug normal ITF or Masters runs 1hr 30-2 hours

lowbie ITF run for xp 1hr-4 hours

You have a few groups running TF's

Player S like you stated

Player N also from your statement

Player F (speedy but not so fast as S but still multiple TF's done in a night)

Payer X (slow like N but again all they do is TF's)

Plus I am sure there are more groups. Some people split TF's into several days even.

So depending on the distribution of these groups across the different server populations is what determines the avg. Now for S's to significantly scew the average there would have to be ALOT of them. I have not had the opertunity to run with any tf's on virtue yet so I can only speek from experience on freedom and Justice which are usually well populated. Based on that the "S" group is likely within the minority. I truely believe that the avg time is heavily based on slower speed runs and kill most runs.

Again the fact that the avg time (merit wise) for and ITF across servers is 90 min and one of the faster speed times is 20 min (a vast difference) sugests "S" playes are outnumbered by a combination of other players enough to keep that avg time much higher than the speed times.

I realize you where pointing out other sugestions on how to award merits my post was directed to the "omg people who speed through TF's are ruining my rewards" posts. Again I believe it is more likely that this is a true average and ploted data would probably be a bell curve with your speed and long tf's at the ends, which while not fair to all is probably fair to the vast majority of the popuation.

median =/= to average

If it where median and a large number of speed runs put a speed time into the middle i might agree that was somewhat unfair. This is not the case though if it's based on average then the really long tf runners are balancing out for the speeder's, along with the middle ground times to get an average for the player base. To expect it to be scewed one way or the other way for your peticular playstyle is self centered. It is done for an average population. What might help if factoring in a non completion factor, i've seen quite a few teams take the RSF out to 3+ hours and can't finish and that data isn't used in factoring average time. (as Macskull pointed out)

The fact that the ITF merits where increased rather than decreased last data mine is an indication that speed runs have not lowered merit rewards as this is the one i believe is "speed run" the most (just an estimate on my own observations). However with out the actual data no one should assume anything about what manipulates the merit rewards. It's more likely that the average time is more heavily influanced on the middle ground numbers being so numerious and the larger and smaller times being so few. If that is the case you should be blaming the average population. You just don't know though without the raw data your just flapping your gums.

*Blushes*

I am hoping that new people who come to this forum for help will see this at the top of the list and join the channel.

I always remember just how clueless i was when i started playing (not that i am not still clueless lol) so it's nice to help someone the way I always had help.

Awww now you've just gone and hurt my feelings.....well maybe if i cared about what you thought


Anyway didn't think about this:

Your right i was not thinking outside the box....carry on

And what if you don't have enough to field an 8v8 and the other team refuses to go lower? It only works if you default the lower and option the higher team number.