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I understand completely.
You just don't understand AT "roles". A tanker goes in and draws (keyword) aggro. Scrappers go into melee (keyword) range for damage output and even draw aggro via confront. Even VEATs have confront. Their "roles" are to ACTIVELY draw aggro from the rest of the team. They can't perform their roles while under status effect - that is the design of the game. Understand now? You mention frustration later, how about a tank that is permaheld each and every mob group in a mission. Yeah, real fun there.

Again, the game gives you the tools to avoid status effects. And the game isn't designed like you say so the rest of your paragraph is nonsense.

Oh, now it is the Tsoo giving problems instead of Rikti and Malta? The Lost next? Really, 63 months and plenty of 50's. Spent mostly figuring out how to play and defeating mobs, yes, even on those so-called squishies.

Odd, I am not annoyed and I guess you are apparently preaching for the masses that are now, a lot. I have been mezzed and won. I have been mezzed and defeated. It is NO BIG DEAL. If you don't like being a statue, there are ways to avoid being one.

Well, this shows me you never played a blaster. Please don't say you have otherwise you would know you can still attack with DEFv2.0. Yes, even mezzed, I am still on top of my game and use the other tools in the game to win. If I, on the rare occassion, run into bad luck and die, then what? NOTHING. It's a game remember.

And again, please show me this missing business. If you are having issues, I suggest 3 Dam/3 Acc slotting, which leaves the 5% always a chance (that's 1 in 20).

Again, I have a number of so-called squishies that have no mezz protection and solo just fine "at the top of my game."

Okay, I miss. Big deal. I have a blaster at 50. I keep using my attacks. A blaster has an inherent that lets you. I have taken on mezzers in all kinds of forms before. And guess what...I dinged 50 still.

You are going to hit way more often than you miss - would you like to deny that?

I am with Clouded here. Just why did you open with an immobilize that allows the mobs to still attack?
You have a snipe, Aim, and BU, well before Level 30 when Rikti spawn. I have a blaster to at 50 and take out the mezzer first with my most powerful ranged attacks then mop up minions afterwards. I would never use my Level 1 power on mezzers as an opener.

Trying reading and understanding again and not:
You miss completely what I was saying and guess I need to explain this a little more. The piece I was focusing on was:
Notice how I mention curbstomping and minion in my posts? Giving ATs mezz protection eliminates mezzers from the game. My fire/rad corruptor (an AT without mezz protection) would be unstoppable if I never had to worry about her toggles dropping because I have mezz protection now, hence an I win button.

That is the biggest problem some posters are not getting. Within every AT, there are some really powerful combinations. Adding on top of that would make they way more powerful (like my fire/rad corr).

So, and being clear, I did not state that mezz protection is an I win button and don't put words in my mouth.

I can't but read this as every AT can solo and defeat mobs, mezzers or not if they use what is available like their powers or other things like dual builds (one for soloing and one for teaming).

My controller can defeat mobs that my scrapper (an AT with mezz protection) can not (DRM for example). My scrapper can defeat mobs that my controller can not (MI for example). The Vanguard rebels beat my scrapper (again, the one with the mezz protection) silly. My controller didn't have the same issues.

My D3 defender makes my emp/psi defender cry with the mobs she defeats, but my emp/psi defender was the one everyone wanted to team with.
My ice/cold corruptor waltzes through missions that my dark/therm corruptor struggles at.
My MM's (an AT without mezz protection) laughs at all my toons together while they solo AVs.

I would like to see some information where there is an AT & powerset that is unable to solo and getting "curbstomped" by "minions". For me, my "weakest" toons would be my emp/psi def and dark/therm corr - both at 50 - and they can solo and are not IO'd out.

I can't but read this as only "I want an I win button".

Of course the game has some challenge at the higher levels. That is by it's design, otherwise, we would be fighting Hellions all the way to 50. This is the "risk" for our "reward".

I have yet to hear anyone say "wow, I just can't defeat those minions." I will grant that an AV/EB or even a boss could be a pain to some ATs/powersets and need some help either from a temp like a Shivan or get a team together.

Yes, you will miss every so often and get in over your head and have a faceplant. The posters I have read in this thread all know that. Players have played every AT and powerset combo and know you will faceplant. But in the end, you will win the vast majority of times over the mobs in this game no matter what you play.

It's not that hard of a game. That "curbstomping" isn't that common if a player uses the tools that are available and takes a moment to plan. Only time I see it is when a player takes on way more they can handle (say using +4/+8 settings). If it is, I am suprised it hasn't been discovered by now.

No you don't because you also said:
And it is a perfectly valid argument. I will be going on my 8th 50 for corr/def's (No AE leveling, the master badges pre-I16, TFC for 3 def so far, etc.). Would you like to list these "many" corruptors and defenders that have no hope? It doesn't exist because if you knew how to play the powers for def and corr, you would see that they have plenty of tools to handle mezzers. You are just choosing not to take or use them. And please, a mezz from a single MINION causes you die? Really, a MINION??? We must be playing different games.

This whole idea of mezz protection is simply not needed. My blaster can snipe to take out a mezzer from range. My controller holds them. My defenders and corruptors have a variety of tools to stop mezzers. My WS (which doesn't use dwarf form) deals with mezzers when soloing. My 2 MM's just sends in the pets. My non-perma dom is just fine outside domination.

And they would still be least wanted because they are NOT NEEDED.

Like so many in this thread have stated, this game is already easy enough and the so-called squishies have all the tools and options to deal with mobs to defeat them.

This thread has really gone to a ridiculous point now.

Gasps!!!

EB, maybe I should set up some all def STFs for you (if you still have your defender) to try some night on Victory.
Heck, I use to have a link to a SS of an all def MSTF about a year or so ago. On my Darkstorm STF (6 dark/2 storm defs), we just debuffed and ignored LR and took the towers down, then him right afterwards w/o bothering to tank him. So yeah, defenders can handle LR but in their own fashion.

And on a side note, I have been on enough STF to have seen LR tanked by each of the tanker primaries and would say any tanker can tank LR.

How about "No". I solo and I team and don't have to worry about my playstyle or my toon in either case - be it one of my defenders or my tank or my WS or whatever I feel like at that time.

Your suggestion would put players all over the place. I am soloing and get a tell to join a team, with 5 players. Okay, I join. The team does a mission then breaks, and I go to soloing. I get a tell for another team, with 2 players. We play and the leader recruits more over time. Now the numbers are changing. People come on the team, people leave the team. Eventually team breaks up and I am solo again. I see on global TF forming and join up. Back again on a team. Is a respec with 4? An STF with 8? etc.?

Current system has me playing my toon the way I want too and having fun. I would probably need some kind of worksheet for all my AT (I have one of each at least) and the different effects of teaming has and would be a hassle.

You saw his apology, right?

/Slaps forehead! That too.

Sigh, that is not even close...

In short, you chose a primary and secondary that has damage as its way of controlling. This means you kill faster. The other blaster sets don't equal the damage output of fire therefore they are balanced by other means - stuns, KB, KD, etc.

Every AT has a sprectrum of powers. You picked an *extreme* in the blaster sets. Would you have asked what hard controls you have if you had an ice/ice blaster? Fire doesn't have the *traditional* controls like holds and so forth. It makes up elsewhere.

And yes, scrappers/brutes can control by damage in the same sense as a fire/fire blaster. But to say that blasters don't have hard controls when you pick the one exception is a not accurate. Using an example on the opposite end of the spectrum, it would be like me saying corruptors need buffs because my dark/therm (what I consider a weak toon) is hard to play solo. My ice/cold, fire/rad, and son/kin corruptors would love to see those buffs.

Edit:
Decided to add one more point that tanker/brutes/scrappers (even VEATs) can purposely take aggro via taunt/confront as part of their AT powers. So in order to make this viable to use and "protect the squishies" and peel off aggro, they need to be able to use it. If they are under status effects, then no taunt/confront, which could be team wipes.

Yes, damage is a hard control because a dead mob doesn't fight back - just like being held, stunned, etc. Only longer!

Ooooooh, but you do. It is called damage. I suggest you check out blaster powers. Did you know they have holds (ice/ice can have 3 between primary and secondary), disorients, KB, KD, sleep, stun? You are telling me those are not controls?

You picked a primary and secondary that has damage/DoT as its "controls". A fair trade.

I wonder what hard controls you would have had if you went fire/EM?

Edit: Keep going ClawsandEffect - agreeing with your posts.