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I am way too curious as to what "new" players are going through. When I played early on, we were all in the same situation. There was no vet rewards to worry about. But a new player now would see vets just pull out a wand, or hit sands of mu, or base TP away. I saw that in Voo's regular team where early on we were all using nem staff or such on each group.

I have thought about this for a while, but just the other day I got on a lowbie pug team redside, and got me thinking even more. I like to check badges and globals of people I never teamed with ( ). Amazing, the oldest one was a 12 month vet and the rest 6, lower, or even none. And the globals I saw were not in any of the channels I saw. Granted could be multiple accounts, and means nothing.

Okay, will stop threadjacking!

Voo, please refill your meds...

Edit: ...at least by Tuesday. I'm scared.

Having a 50 kin/arch, I can say for me that the redraw was extremely annoying. Biggest problem was that on teams, by the time I got FS then go through the long animation of RoA, most of the mobs were dead and felt the attack wasted.

Kin/ice may be a great combo talking with some friends and having played ice on corr (ice/cold) and def (cold/ice).

I will toss out kin/son. I have a 50 son/kin corr and it was a great combination that worked very well soloing and on teams with the attacks and damage buffs. But you said you have played /son, so not sure if you want to do another.

Bah! No SB for you! But will be there.

At this time for me, yes, I would be a nightmarish combo.

I admit that I could be biased because my kin/ def is my only arch toon, and that I usually proactive in my buffing with defenders - esp. a kin and its buffs. Had I gone another primary like cold/ or different AT, I may have a better opinion.

I am definitely planning on dual pistol toon and will have to accept redraw depending on the other powers I pick.

Good input Masque. Only thing though is that rain of arrow just takes so long to get off. Maybe because when teamed for my kin/ def, by the time I had FS hit and then switch to rain of arrows, most of the mobs were dead or not at the spot where I targetted. It was frustrating in that I felt my best attack was wasted. Cold/ would offer ways to KD or slow mobs to stay in the same general area so that rain of arrows would work better.

And just falling back on the redraw that it bugged me greatly. But do understand that others don't even think about it.

Heh, I view other players on the team as my pets (like an MM)!

And to confused apostrophe boy..er I mean Vd, I mean solos just fine because she can use her primaries more efficiently with her secondaries - which my emp def can't do, like use AB, Fort, or CM. Picky, picky.

Not directed at you GP specifically, just commenting/rambling.

I could agree that solo, my emp def feels weak compared to my scrapper. But my emp def also feels very weak to my D3 def, who solos just fine. My grav/FF also feels weak to what I see Ill/rad or fire/kin controllers do. My thugs/PD MM feels weak to my bots/storm MM, but both can solo AV's.

But the thing for me is that when a teamed, my defenders all feel powerful. What good is my /ff contr to IO'd players at the def cap? My MM's can fight AV's with or without other players - I don't feel any more "god-like" with them. My scrapper is just another damage dealer and doesn't offer any more to teams.

And that's the key for defenders when teamed. Do teams actually say if we had one MORE scrapper or tanker or kheld, we could have finished that TF? If a team has 3 controllers, do a 4th add any more damage mitigation? I see defenders though always welcomed.

Bottomline, defenders, when teamed, are never feel weak to me.

Going off topic now, but Voo, really... You actually put a ' in '010 in your signature??? Like that is saving typing a 2 instead of a ' ????? Now that's a whole new game.

On topic , cold/arch would be playable, especially solo. I just couldn't stand the redraw when teamed, since my mind set has me using my buffs/debuffs, etc. for the team first rather than attack (like using FS with my kin/ first).

Having played the ice/cold corr (my favorite corr by far) and now, as you know the cold/ice def route, I would most definitely vote cold/psy.

My reasons:
- From my reading and exp with /psy (emp/psy), it would fit neatly with the cold/ secondary effects.

- Redraw, redraw, redraw. Having leveled up a kin/arch def, it irritated me greatly to buff or use FS, heal, etc. and use attacks. If you are going a team route, you are probably going to take the buffs and debuffs, which would lead to redraw with the bow. And when you finally get the rain of arrows attack, the mobs will be dead by the time you debuff and such and go thru the long animation for the attack. With /psy, it was very seemless between my emp/ buffs and my attacks, and you don't need the nuke.

Adding in a few inf to the conversation. I am somewhat of the same thought as EmpireForgotten. On the whole, the OP has appeal to me, but the backlash from a large portion (vast majority?) of the population could be too great.

There have been a number of other threads regarding PvP and changes. For me, I would work within the current zones/content rather than expand to a new zone(s). I posted some thoughts I had before here and some more previously. I still feel that a server/community change in attitude towards PvP should be addressed before addition of new zones. This will give better justification to the devs for time/resource put into these new zones.

Because it doesn't seem to sink in that different powers bring different effects.
Why is my grav/ff controller unable to solo AVs like an ill/rad controller? Using the OP's logic, they are both controllers, therefore, must be able to do the same.

What about my thugs/PD MM vs. my bots/storm MM? In my experience they were vastly different in what they could do. Again, using the OP's logic, they should be the same and something must be wrong.

The devs, IMO, took this into account when designing the sets - diversity.

Seconded!

This is my thought exactly. My D3 def could solo EB's. My kin def solo'd EB's. I tried my soon to be 50 cold/ice def and could do it with some help of inspirations. My friend's rad had no issues I can recall. Now my emp/psi defender had issues, but not when I had a shivan to drop and buff up.


I call this synergy like a D3. Some combinations work very nicely and smoothly together, bringing a greater effect.

The OP has to learn to play the ENTIRE AT, not just the secondary. There are more than this one EB out there. Some ATs/combos would struggle against them. Having a FF/ def along would greatly increase the chance of beating it - it is what defenders do FOR TEAMS that is their greater asset. Just look at the name - defender - what good is defending if you are by yourself? I am still amazed that the OP takes so many other powers. I just have health and travel powers on a lot of my defenders, and some leadership I take in the late 40's for things like the STF.

And just to be in the ultra-tiny minority, I don't have issues with the end cost vs. damage due to our inheret and teaming. I am already aware of all the threads debating this so won't bother here.

Masque, everytime I leave you rep, I say you are awesome. You just are!