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Perhaps I described it wrong. I meant to break it down to the level that IMHO, console porting is not the way to go. It dumbs things down, the customizing ability, ect compared to PC games.

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Customisability? Do you mean, of the character/avatar?

IF so, then: only because, prior to the current generation of consoles, it really hasn't been possible to customise elements within a game, the way we can here on CoH. And honestly, I think the possibility was absent not because of any especial hardware limitation (witness: those Tony Hawk skating games, with the OMG-customisable personal avatars. Least I think it was the Tony Hawk series; I don't actually play those). The limiting factor has always been developer attitude.

Heck, that kind of customisability wa largely absent from PC games, before City ofHeroes came along.

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If you mean customisability of controls ... even there; give me a '360 controller with a messenger kit 47-key keyboard (which attaches directly to the controller), and there is precious little you can do with a PC keyboard-and-mouse in Co*, which I can't emulate near-perfectly with my controller-and-messenger unit.

The main stumbling point is, I think an MMO like CoH, with constant free updates, would have to be a "hard drive required" game, which rather puts the kibosh on 'porting it to 360 (due to Microsoft's policy on that front).

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It's like the age old idea of ice cream and pizza. Both are wonderful, but pizza flavored ice cream of vice versa is plain nasty!


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One man's vomit inducer is another man's delicacy.

My girlfriend, for example, recently discovered that she likes peanut butter and jelly ... AND CHEESE, all in one sandwich. The very thought makes me want to empty my stomach ... but she loves it. Go figure, right?

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If so, then the're a fad with a long, LOOOONG lifespan: to the tune of thirty six years. I mean, Jesus ... I'm only one year older than this supposed "fad" ... and home-computer games are younger than console games ... so if anything is a fad, it's PC gaming.

Arguably, one could cite the Commodore Business MAchines' VIC-20 as the first widely-purchased "hoem computer", as it was the first computer to sell more than one million units. That was in 1981, almost a full decade after the Magnavox Odyssey.

(I still remember my Commodore 64 fondly; I got it for christmas when I was fourteen - that was in 1985, three years after it was first introduced. Cost my mother an arm, a leg, and two months' worth of sleep to afford it for me, too.)

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Costumes etc will be locked in once the game is released, you can't have a 30 minute download every time you connect and PS doesn't have the storage to maintain large updates forever, it isn't designed for that.

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... what are you talking about? The PS3 has a hard drive, currently produced models are either 40GB or 80GB. This PC has only 70GB, most of which is NOT city of Heroes.

360's generally, usually IMO, have hard drives also - 20GB or 120GB.

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360 does HD, but PS3 does it better. 360 can only achieve 1080i, and for many ppl, that's worse than 720p. PS3 does 1080p.


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Where'd you hear that? The 360 can do 1080p.

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Have you even played a PS3? I bet you haven't, you would see a dramatic difference.

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No, I haven't played one - I don't have a spare four hundred dollars to throw at a PS3. And even then, no I would not see any difference. My TV set is only Standard Definition, like most televisions in the U.S.

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Blu-Ray has already won the format War, and Microsoft hasn't made a decisions to create a Blue-Ray Add-On, they only had one spokesperson say that if the consumer had enough demand for it, they would consider it.

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Won? Nah. Not until Blu-Ray disks outrsell standard DVDs, and blue-ray players outsell standard DVD players.

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Oh, and yeah silver membership is free, but not if you want the good stuff. You're faith in Microsoft is kind of funny.

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The only things a Gold membership gives you is (a) online multiplayer, and (b) downloads are open to Gold members a week sooner than to Silver members. Big whoop.

Besides which, my Gold membership is costing me ... um ... about $3.40/month. Pocket change.

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As for the library, who cares? This is about putting an MMO on a Console. If you have to pick one that is better, its definitely the PS3. I've had both consoles. Now that PS3 is affordable, watch the tides turn in the console war.

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The PS3 is "affordable" only if you forgo backwards compatibility ... which is Sony shooting themselves in the foot. The PS2's backwards compatibility is what sold me on that, instead of the original Xbox, years ago.

Now look, you: I wanted to stick with Playstation. I had a PSX, then a PS2, then another PS2 ... so there was a great deal of brand loyalty going in Sony's favor. But when push came to shove, and it was time to make the step up to the current generation of consoles, the PS3 just didn't have what it took. When I priced out the two purchases I'd make ... I ended up discovering that, even getting the ELITE 360 ... to match peripherals (seocnd controller, one game, rechargable battery packs etc) ...? The PS3 was going to cost me almost $150 more (backwards compatibility was an absolute requirement for me). Compounding the higher price, was a smaller games library. The two together ... was a death knell.

OTOH, if I won the lottery? I'd own a PS3 within the day. And a Wii, if I could find one. And at least one HDTV to hook them up to.

The biggest advantage the 360 has, over the PS3, in terms of an MMO? More consoles sold, worldwide. more consoles = more potential customers = more possible profit.

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If they added world PvP I'd either adapt or move on.

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I think the problem is too many people would move on.

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count me as one. I hate going into the zones for the badges now. Perhaps if PvP wasn't such a joke in this game, I would stick around, but it is so I would be gone in a heartbeat.

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Count me as another, and I ENJOY going into the PvP zones now and then. The trick is, for me? I have to go to the PvP .... it can't come lookign for me.

Change that, and I leave.

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PS3? meh.

360 is where it's at NC^2.

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QFT

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pfft,

The Ps3 is a far superior machine than the 360. Their Network is greatly improving, and oh yeah....It's free.

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Free? So's Live, if you don't care for the extras of Gold: Silver membership costs nothing.

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1080P

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First off: that's not a PS3 exclusive, the 360 can do HD just fine, too. Secondly: my TV is 480i, is less than 18 months old, and I have no desire to replace it. Why would I care, even if HD was a PS3-only feature?

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BluRay

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Not an advantage. If Blu-ray wins the format war, you know what? I bet, within six months of that event, Microsoft will have a Blu-Ray drive available for my 360.

Oh, and ... how's the anemic game library coming?

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You guys are focusing way too much on the pros and cons of console CoH based on how to translate the controls. What you're forgetting is this possibility:

Console gamers in our shards. Please God, save me from console gamers.

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As has already been observed: console gamers are generally NOT substandard to PC gamers, not any more.

Also: we're already here, anyway.

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PS3? meh.

360 is where it's at NC^2.

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QFT

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My advice would be to consolidate some of the commonly low traffic servers [...]

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NEVER. SPEAK. THOSE. WORDS. AGAIN!!

Server mergers would cause more catastrophic problems than they could ever solve, EVEN if it's just done to "move the PC users out to make room for the console folks".

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Did anyone other than me play Diablo on the Playstation after playing it on a PC? I did not think it ported over well to the console myself, and I truthfully do not see CoX porting over very well.

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The PS1 did not have as complex and capable a controller as later consoles.

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How do you control 3 trays of powers with a console controller with any sembelance [sp?] of speed?

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See above.

My characters get by just fine with ONE tray of "omg I need it faaaaast" powers, and a slightly-delayed access to the other two trays.

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I see a lot of problems with porting this over to a console, nevermind that I have too much invested in my PC to spend $ buying a console that I don't really want.

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... what part of "adding the PS3 playerbase to the PC playerbase" makes you think you'd HAVE to buy a console?

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They day the games are fully merged, that heroes and villains all have access to all of the zones etc., is the day I cancel my account. It is a bad idea all around.

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becuase you will have more people to play with, you will be able to lvl faster and see more content?

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No, because World PvP is antithetical to how this game was launched, and thus, antithetical to the very thing that attracted a large portion of the Old Guard among the playerbase.

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Ugh, CoH on a console. What an abomination.

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I'm curious to how it would work...given the amount of powers you acquire...though my friend uses his 360 controller when playing FF11

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Have you seen a 360 controller? Mine has the following that would be available for any game to address and use:
[*] Two analog thumbsticks[*] Two buttons "under" those thumbsticks (you can click them "down" or "in", relative to the controller main body, and it registers as a separate button)[*] One four-register "Directional Pad"[*] The Start and Back buttons[*] The four A/B/X/Y buttons[*] Two trigger buttons, left and right[*] Two shoulder buttons, left and right

So ...
[*] Right button to cycle between Power trays and Inspiration trays[*] A, B, X, Y, and both triggers - that's six controls. If we use the left trigger as a "shift" / modifier button, we can get ten controls (A, B, X, Y, and Right trigger with ... versus A, B, X, Y, and Right trigger without). That's an entire power tray covered.[*] Ignoring the Shift function, the Inspiration tray is only ever, what, five columns? So the Left Trigger could be "free select" mode within the Inspiration tray, guided by the right thumbstick; once you release, whichever inspiration was highlighted, is used. Add a single "Cancel" spot above the topmost row and you're golden.[*] The Back button can be used to call up a series of management screens - Enhancements, the various Options tabs, etc. Standard menu navigation in there would work fine.[*] Toggle Mouse -vs- Camera for the right thumbstick, via the button right under it.[*] "Tab: next enemy" can be handled by the button under the left thumbstick[*] Movement, via the left thumbstick. Left shoulder button modifies this for strafing up/down instead of forward/backward.[*] D-pad "up" toggles the Salvage tray open[*] D-pad "down" toggles the Recipe tray open[*] D-pad "right" cycles through [nul]<-->[map]<-->[contacts]<-->[missions][*] D-pad "left" opens the Costume Selection window
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That's not complete, and can almost definitely be improved upon. But, it's WITHOUT the Messenger Kit addon, and it's covered most of the controls you need to get to "fast" in this game. ^_^

And all that ignores simply using a USB keyboard and USB mouse.

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I'm not saying I want a console version of CoH ... but I am saying, it's physically feasible, in terms of the UI.

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Ugh, CoH on a console. What an abomination.

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Actually ...

... my Xbox 360 could do a passable job of running Co* (relatie RAM shortage aside). Control-wise, I mean. This product covers the Keyboard needs; the panoply of other buttons on any '360 controller gives you a wide range of options for activating powers ... and that's all without altering the UI at all, just putting an interpreter between the controller and the current UI.

Thank you very much for the answer, Ex; I was fully prepared for either total silence or "we can't reveal that just now". The fact that the answer is also an extremely reassuring one, is just pure gravy. ^_^

From the article:

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1UP: We've heard that NCSoft's newest studio in California is dedicated both to maintaining the City of Heroes franchise and to working on PS3 development. So would it be a great leap to expect City of Heroes-related content on the PS3?
Chung: [laughs] I can't tell you specifically, but yes, we are reviewing all our titles. In my opinion, there are a number of titles in our portfolio that are really suitable for consoles, and City of Heroes is one of them. But we're looking at all of our products.


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So. My question at this juncture is this: All those new hires? How many of them are working on THIS game, right here? Half, all, none? And how many of the pre-NC^2 team are still workign on THIS game?

NOTE .... by "this game", I mean the current PC-based City of Heroes ... not a console 'port, not Co*2, not anything else except the game I could play if I fired up my CoH client on a PC.

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How else will devs know if we dont bring stuff up?

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Did you miss the part where the Devs said how taking on extra staff would allow them to focus on fixing bases?

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As a total aside, btw: I find that news of expansion-and-focus to be welcome news; perhaps NC^2 will be able to assign two or three folks as "the Base team", giving full-time work to the needs of base design and construction on a permanent basis. New parts, improved UI, fixing bugs, etc.

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Dude. ENOUGH already. You've expressed your displeasure that Bases aren't mentioned in LH's post. You've done so multiple times now. You're not helping yourself. You're just coming across as a whiny brat, and the odds are good that you're more likely to convince a developer to LOWER the priority of working on Bases, than to increase it!

Let it rest ... please!

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Dude you give it a rest, Bases are a legitimate concern that do need to be addressed. How else will devs know if we dont bring stuff up? Lastly who are you to tell us what we can and can not talk about in this thread?

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When the same person harps on the same subject in the same thread - where that subject is not the Topic - then they're the one that needs to give it a rest.

I'd far rather see thirty different people come in and ask "What about bases?", once each ... than see one person ask "What about bases", five times.

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Dude. ENOUGH already. You've expressed your displeasure that Bases aren't mentioned in LH's post. You've done so multiple times now. You're not helping yourself. You're just coming across as a whiny brat, and the odds are good that you're more likely to convince a developer to LOWER the priority of working on Bases, than to increase it!

Let it rest ... please!

Dear moderator: Simply removing the recent posts does not un-Necro a thread. Please LOCK it, or the problem will only continue to revive itself.

Thank you.

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I'm doing something wrong, I just don't know what.

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Assuming the other side has a clue ...?

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its all worthless in they end, if they dont start making the game fun again, its been worthless for 5 expansions at least, time to focus on making the game fun guys!

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Speak for yourself. I joined CoH the day after i5 went Live, and it's only gotten better with every issue, since then. I *love* Oroboros, even though I'm such an altoholic that I have few characters in range to use it. I *love* Inventions. I *love* my Vet Rewards. I *loved* the Second Rikti War, and still love the RWZ (even though I have VERY few characters able to get into it).

Is it perfect? No. But, no game ever will be.

Yes, yes, yes, YOU ALREADY SAID THAT. You don't need to keep spamming the thread about it. Yeesh.

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Please be sure that one of the changes is to get rid of the four-second Travel Power Suppression nerf that follows the initiation - but not the resolution - of all attacks.
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News for you, my friend: Travel Suppression was requested by players, as a replacement for what used to be: a fairly large -Accuracy debuff, for as long as the travel toggle was active.

Don't try to call it something "implemented without regard for player input", because it was implemented as the result of player input. And quite frankly, given your forum registration date ... you should be perfectly aware of this fact. (One of the few cases where I'll even pay attention to a Reg Date ...)

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I have no problem supporting more zones for villain side, I just don't see the value in the new zones being hazard zones.

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I agree with this, unreservedly. I'd love to see a new low- or mid-level zone in CoV ... but not a "hazard zone", we simply don't need THOSE. I want a zone like Faultline or Croatoa, but with a villainous flavor ... something with an internal storyline for my villains to explore.

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Yeah I missed the 'in real time', I think ym briain is addled today.

EG:
Sorry the win goes on. Did you not get the memo that suckage is no longer part of CoX ?

(aside from MOG) *ducks and runs*

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MoG continuing to suck is the only thing that grounds me in reality.

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You might want to avoid the Training Room in the near future, then.

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Aw, man!!! Someone got a tissue, or something, so I can clean off my monitor?