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Thank You Mr. Peabody.

I'm enjoying your frivilous attempt to correct something that is not in need of correction. You're being very "a" retentive about it and really just need to let it go now. I think there is more than enough information here for people to make up their own minds on how they want to see experience gain with the use of confuse. I'm not going to worry about splitting hairs on this issue with you any more. You can tell me how wrong I am and how much help I need, but in the end, you're the only one with the real issue. If you need it to be exactly correct, have fun with that. I'm done with you and you just need to let go and walk away. You've wasted too much time on this. Just let it go.....

Enjoy Life and the Game!!!!

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"He's Right Here..." LOL

I dont - You're mixing statements.

If using confuse and I kill (arrest) 100 mobs I get 80xp.

Killing those same mobs without confuse I get 100xp.

If using confuse on mobs, over 30 minutes I can kill 200 mobs and get 160xp

When you use confuse, you can clear mobs faster, but at a reduced xp / mob ratio. You can still get xp faster and this is what is referred to as a "net gain" for xp.

If you run mish after mish, this will produce a net gain in xp. If you only run one mish, you just finish it faster at a lower xp gain. The back and forth is only about the word being used to discribe the lower gain in xp.

I'll leave it up to each one reading the posts to determine if it's positive or negative. Both sides are polarized at opposite ends of the same coin. Please don't let that confuse you. It is playful banter back and forth and in the end, it is a power that I would never go without. It has saved teams from wiping on many occasions.

FOR THE WIN !!!

Thank You !

Ok, I didn't get as much xp because I used confused. By using confused on the mobs, I received less xp than I would have had I not used confused. Using confused allowed me to give up xp I had the potential to earn.

I'll defend the word because it's the same thing to me. You see it differently, fine, that's you're accepted term. "Lost" is mine. It's not a mistake. It is my point of view. Thank You for respecting my point of view.

You've said here what I've been saying. It's sad that you're focused on it being a complaint though. It's not misleading when for a fact they are coming out short on the xp per mob. Stating that isn't negative. If you choose not to use the confuse, you'll get more xp per mob, also a fact. I've also stated that even though the (reduced xp received) is going to be made up by the over all xp earned because of the faster rate.

I'm lost on this reference. I'm not sure what you're connecting this to. Can you quote for me please? I don't know if this is something I've addressed directly or if it's just being inferred. I've read back, but I just don't see it. Thank You...

I am sorry you feel that way. I know I'm not saying it the way you would say it, but it is still fact that the xp gained is less when confuse is used then when it's not used. If you're running mission after mission, then yes, again, you are correct, xp over time will go up. If you run one or two missions due to limited time, then the benifets are lower. Each individual using the power can come to their own conclusion on it being negative or positive. That is never wrong :-)

(I'm saying this with a kind, calm and soothing voice. I don't want anyone to think I'm angry or sarcastic when I'm writing this out. I'm trying to relay thoughtfulness and understanding but that doesn't always read that way.) Thank You.

Yes, if I plan on running the full mission, I do. If I'm with a team, then I expect it to be ours. I would call that "Making a choice not to gain XP". When I start attacking it. Apples & Apples

Fine, I can change it so it reads "You "lose out on" the exp that you would have received had you not confused the mob." Does that make it easier to accept? I'm not hung up on symantics as others seem to be. Lose vs Didn't Earn is all the same thing. You're net xp from the experience is lower when a confused mob attacks your take down. That point is agreed upon by everyone. We're just debating on what it is called. So we can call it Lost, Unearned, Adjusted.... fill in the blank.

When people engage in an assault against a mob, possession of the mob is claimed. Expectations are set and claims are laid. This can be done by a single person or an entire group. It is our makeup, our way of thought. If someone is about to hand you $20 in $10's for nothing more than just standing there, and someone runs by and takes $10 of it, and then you're handed the remaining, are you going to sit there and say, "I only earned $10" or are you going to say "Hay, that guy took my money!"? The normal, every day person is going to say that they lost the $10 and may cry foul because of it. It is how I apply the word "Lose" here. Sure, you can convince others to phrase it your way, and say that it was unearned, but when someone sees the exp they receive from a whole take down and then see the exact same mob taken down with help from a confused, which point of view do you think they're going to take? (Seriously, I'm talking about the average person in general)

I just think it's wrong to nit pick and denigrate on symantics when both points of view can be valid. The human factor is always the missing component in these discussions and perceptions play a very big part in our experiences. We're losing sight of the larger picture here which is both can be correct if you don't sweat the details. Now Go Play CoX and Have Fun!!!

You're really on a strange and bizzar bent here.

Who's whining about lost xp from mobs despawning? If I have it right, you're the one who brought that point in all on your own. As a matter of fact, I pointed out how stupid it was of you to make that kind of point to begin with, as nice as I was about it the first time.

You seem to be pushing the point that if you didn't inflict the damage, then you don't deserve the experience. No Kidding - That is called "lost" experience. You can get yourself all twisted up about if you like, I think this is a lot of fun, but the fact remains, the xp was lost do to damage from the confused mob. Plain, Simple, End of Story.

If you want to keep going on about it, that's fine, I'm game.

Oh, and you may want to check out that guide of yours. It's not entirely correct. ---- You lose out on the exp when a mob takes damage from a confused.

http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Mind_C...Mass_Confusion

You can cause mass confusion within a group of foes, creating chaos. All affected foes within the area will turn and attack each other, ignoring all your allies. If you confuse your foes before they noticed you, your presence will continue to go unnoticed. You will not receive any experience points for foes defeated entirely by confused enemies.

Lost....

Hello....

Welcome to Planet Earth.

Your esoteric mumbo jumbo is not going to change things here. It's a real stretch to compare lost xp on mobs you're engaged with to all mobs generated within the game. I'm sadly disappointed that this is all you could come up with. Seriously, are you even trying? And I had such high hopes for you. TISK TISK . . .

Do I get full xp for a take down when a confused mob has taken some shots on my take down? No. I get a percentage of xp based on the amount of damage I delt vs the amount received by a confused. The full potential could be say 2000xp. I get 1800 out of the 2000xp. I've lost 200xp because of the confused mob.

Not Impossible - Fact.

I have been kicked from a team because of their fear of lost xp when I used my seeds of confuse. They just don't understand the advantages to it. I think more awareness needs to be put out there.

After really tracking it in solo, the xp loss is about 8% - 15% for mins. 3% - 10% for Luts. 1% - 6% for boss. It is so well worth using the confuse vs. the small amount of xp loss. You can finish fights faster and can finish mish for the bonus xp faster that in no time, you've over come the small amount of loss.

Never let anyone here on the boards upset you so. I've had that fight over and over on the boards and it never ends until I just stop responding. There are those on the boards who know the numbers and know the abilities inside and out. They have tested everything and played everything. They feel very strongly about how the game is played and in the end, they know what they enjoy.

Remember, that's just for their play style and likes. They are not you and don't play the same way you do. You're going to know what is right for you. Play styles, themes, and builds are going to be yours alone and what you like. That is the main reason they let you choose what powers you want and don't want. Use that to your advantage and make what ever you want to make and have fun. Later, if you find you didn't pick something you wanted to try or you picked something that doesn't work for you, you can respec, or even delete and redo. As I said before, don't let yourself be downed by something here on the boards. No one is a better you than YOU!

Now - Get out there and enjoy yourself!

Correct, you can do that and my vet pet shows up there, but CC is not one that shows up in the pet bar. The only way I found at half way knowing if I still have my CC is that the origional casting leaves a bramble patch on the ground, if you're still near it and can see it, then your pet is active. Once it's gone, then so is your pet, but if you're like me and moving through a mish, you're going to be out of sight of that patch in short order and on your way to other mobs. That's where some kind of indicator would be most helpful. As it is now, I just have Seeds qued on my target and I run in until they fire off and I go at it again.