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being less dependant on the inherant would also be a good thing

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Easier said than done. You havn't worked through all the implications.

1) You reduce the damage bonus from the inherent.

2) You increase base damage to compensate.

3) Nova form now does massive damage, since it is base damage +45% bonus

4) You reduce the damage bonus for nova form, since it can't be allowed to outdamage a blaster.

5) Congradulations, you have just rendered nova form obsolete, since you can do just as much damage in human form running Leadership: Assault, and still have shields.


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Increase dwarf damage

Increase nova resistence/HPs

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Tank mage. You have just rendered blasters and tankers obsolete by creating an AT that can dish out high levels of damage in almost total safety (since PBs can already dish out medium damage with a good degree of saftey it wouldn't take mch buffing to reach this level).

That's not the issue.

As part of thier out of court settlement with Marvel NCSoft agreed not to release an off line character creator. This saves Marvel the trouble of having to chase down anyone who created something and used it comercially in some way, and saved NCSoft a few (tens of thousands of) dollars in lawyers fees.


If most of these cases ever came to the line, Marvel would probably loose. However Marvel can afford to loose a few court cases, while the people they sue can't.

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It does seem a tad daft no ouro poral for cimerora time travel,

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If you think its daft you havn't been reading the mission text and clues.

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And you didn't read the rest of that sentence

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I did, but you implied that the explanation would be coming in the future, when in fact it's all explained already.

As far as Positron is concerned EATs are not commercially viable. Full stop. He isn't going to alocate time for a major rework. And there is no major rework that would make keldians significantly more popular anyway, unless you throw out the Jack of all Trades master of none concept completly, and have them specialise in something: I.e. delete them and replace with a completly different HEAT.

Oh, my PB is actually very easy to play. It's the build which is difficult to get right - it is packed full of pitfalls to trap unwary players.

For example, taking nova form on a PB is basically gimping yourself. Also, there are loads of attacks, but if you take more than a few of them you wont be able to slot them properly and will also be gimping yourself.

Nope, BAB says Stone Mallet, Fire Sword and Ice Sword are just the same as other weapons. Things like the hit effect and sound are baked in though.

This would be a problem if you, for example, had an ice sword with a colourable aura. You might make it green smoke, but the cloud of smoke that appears on the hit mob would still be blue.

It actually gives away ratehr a lot about the date they expect issue 13 to go live.

Winter event can be assumed to start 1st December. Issue 13 will probably be live by then, but may be delayed if serious bugs show up in testing. Such a delay shouldn't be more than a month.

Therefore they expect issue 13 to go live in the second half of November. It will probably need a lot of testing, so it will probably hit open beta early October.

Actually, no, S4P is almost right. BAB has said that any weapon could have customisation enabled, including things like Stone Mallet. However, since those affect fewer powers in a set, it is lower priority.

The ones that are powers, not weapons, and therefore not cusomisable are Spines and Thorns.

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It does seem a tad daft no ouro poral for cimerora time travel,

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If you think its daft you havn't been reading the mission text and clues.

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a) Going to count against them when the Menders reveal what they're really up to

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I would say this.

The menders are doing thier thing with time, trying to bring about a future where "Mender Silos" is ruler of the multiverse. The Midnighters are working against them. The letter writer is a third party with connections to both groups.

Additional speculation:

Midnighters are trying to restore the Incarnate origin.

Menders want to prevent that at all costs.

Or he could leve CJ on, but take his finger of the space bar occasionally...

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It seems odd that the Menders can 'detect' time travel on our characters but can't when it comes to Cimerora.

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You do realise that the menders:

a) Aren't telling you the truth;

b) Don't know as much as they pretend to;

c) Are not good guys

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I don't have an answer to your question, but I thought I better mention that Aim and Tactics both give To Hit bonuses, which isn't the same as the +acc granted by slotting enhancements, and so cannot completly substitute for them.

Without copywrite it would be impossible to make a living using freedom of expression.

But then without capitalism it would be impossible to make a living.

I think you are the one who needs to grow up.

"A Wizard dit it" is true though...

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Going to Cimerora indeed should unlock the "Entrusted with the Secret" badge, once you step out of the Midnighter's Club into Cimerora.

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No it shouldn't, it would completly break the plot. If you don't know why read the white text spoilers.

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jump pack gives you the ability to fly over a building,

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The GvE jump pack does not give you the ability to fly. It gives you the ability to jump without having to be on the ground, which is what I assume you mean by a double jump.

What do you mean like "Hurl"? You mean a SS tanker pops up and throws you?!

The idea of tunneling has arisen before. There is comic book precident for characters moving rapidly through the ground and popping up elsewhere. However I would make it like teleport, but with the start and end location having to be on the ground (with a much lower endurance cost to compensate for this restriction).

Yes, a placate/regen power available to anyone at level six is off the overpowered scale.

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PB's have got a decent single target heal too if i remember rightly.

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Mine hasn't. I was just comparing my own builds.

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'Hover' would help with the Warshades 'Teleport' power, removing the 2 second to teleport or you fall effect.


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which you only needed if you are cack handed (and its 4 seconds). In which case you can:

1) Play a PB instead
2) Travel in nova form
3) Take superspeed or SJ
4) Travel in Nebulous Form

Hover = wasted power pick, certainly wouldn't help with balance.

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'Air Superiority' seems to be constantly suggested as a good additional power,

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Air Sup isn't a bad power, but it isn't as good at powers in the PB primary, so again, it would be a wasted power pick, actually making you weaker, not stronger if you took it.

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Absolutely sucks if you're a HEAT, because you would be making every other AT even stronger!


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Sounds to me like you have never played a keldian - they get far more powers than they can slot (from 2 up to 12 more than any other AT), so giving up a power pick for enhancement slots would be a major benefit.

However most other ATs are desperete for power picks, and have sufficent slots, few non keldian builds would benefit by exchanging a power for more enhancement slots.

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I've seen a few HEAT vs VEAT threads and must admit I was curious as to how they compared.

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Well, I have a level 50 human/dwarf PB, and a level 42 bane spider.

So here is a breakdown:

Suvivability: PB wins easily.

Damage: PB does better on big teams, bane does better on small teams or solo.

Team buffages: Bane wins, but not by that much as my PB has the leadership pool.

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kheldians dont have a single Team buff.


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OMG, niether do scrappers!!!!

BUFF scrappers.


Honestly, you are coparing apples and turnips here. They don't have the same powers becauses they are not the same. they only thing they have in common is they are both unlocked by reaching level 50.

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you cant just switch out to use hasten, cause then you get mezed.


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Why do you need to? Dwarf form has plenty of powers to make an attack chain when slotted.

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All our shields, our passive powers, such as health, stamina Ect. are disabled when we're shapeshifted.


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They arn't disabled, you just cant use them. Any click buff, including Eclipse and Mire, and buffs from teammakes, and buffs form sets cotinue to operate.

In dwarf form, your shields don't operate because they are replaced by stronger ones and you shouldn't need Stamina with a decient build.

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It gives 2% more recovery

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But the end costs of VEAT powers where increased to compensate, leaving them worse off than before the inherent was added.

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But compared to other classes, most would rather find a blaster

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True, but this is a faliure of concept (PUGs prefer specialists to JoTs). Any change wich leaves keldians better than blasters/tankers would make them overpowered.

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My PB's attacks are set up with +dmg and +acc, my PB is lvl 45, and yet, the damage my blaster did lvl 35 was even higher...

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Of course it is, because you blaster doesn't have shields, the ability to turn into a tanker, free flight, a god mode power or mez protection with the right team mates.

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Where are the half truths...

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I refer you to my earlier post (al;though half truth is being generous).

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A PB/WS can pretty much just tank and DPS... but it would be alot better for the team to find a blaster or tanker... cause they can easyly outmatch a kheldian...


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Sure, this is true, but thats not what you said in your original post.

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The villain ATs however can be very good for teams,

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Sure, the VEATs are better conceived and designed, but they are not more powerful. Any change to keldians that enables them to damage as well as a blaster or tank as well as a tanker would make blasters and tankers pointless.

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1. Not have their innate and auto powers disabled.

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Nope. As said on other threads on this topic, Nova form gains minimal befefit from the inherent damage buff (becase it already gets one from the form, pushing it up near the cap), but a massive benefit, to the extent of being overpowered from a mez resistance or resistance buff. Dwarf form only benefits significantly from a damage buff. This puts even greater enphasis on having a specific team make up.

This is not the change keldians need.

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2. Have access to 'Air Superiority' PB and 'Hover' WS.

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Meh, who cares about these? Keldians get lots of other good powers to choose from.

Again, not the buff they need.

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3. I suggest.. Gain additional form only enhancement slots.


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Yes. I suggested the following pool power (open to all, not just keldians).

Advanced Training Pool

1) +3 enhancement slots
2) +3 enhancement slots
3) +3 enhancement slots
4) +3 enhancement slots


Ok, so what changes are needed:

as discussed elswhere:

1) Nova form should not detoggle when mezzed. If not possible, then nova form shoud gan mag 2 protection from sleep, stun and hold.

2) Dwarf form attacks should have a taunt component.

3) Raise damage and max hp caps.

4) Cosmic Balance/Dark Sustenance should give +1 mag mez protection for each teammate of any AT. Controllers and Doms should give damage/resistance bonus.

The data quoted is actually rather missleading.

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Low Hit Points | Medium Hitpoints

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They acually have very similer base HP, with keldians having high hp in dwarf form. VEATs have fewer base hp than blasters, which are discribed as "low" hp.

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Weakness to Quantum | No Weakness

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Quantum damage has been nerfed to oblivion.


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Limited power Choice | No limited power Choice

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This is totaly missleading, since VEATs don't get free travel powers, and there is only one power keldians are locked out of that is actually any good (Air Supreiority).


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Unable to choose an Epic Power Pool | Able to choose an Epic Power Pool

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A non issue, both epic ATs have suffient power choices that they don't really benefit from APPs/PPPs.

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Limited powers in Forms | No limited powers in "Forms" (Crab Spider Armor Ect.)

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Nonsense. VEATs simply don't have forms, they are not comparable.

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No Team Buffs | Lots of Team Buffs

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Not comparable, keldians get more attacks and controls, and better resistance shields. So what.

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Few Self Buffs | Lots of Self buffs

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Not true. Keldians get as many good self buffs as VEATs.

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the VEAT is without a doubt FAR Superior to the HEAT.



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I would dispute this, the VEAT is marginally better and a lot easier to play.

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They cant use hasten

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They can, they just can't activate it while shifted.

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ALL buffs get disabled

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No buffs get disabled.

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A VEAT can boost there Armor "Forms"

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VEATs don't get forms. Crab/Bane choice is more realistically compared to a choice of primary/secondary that can be respeced.

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make the HEAT more... Epic...

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In CoX epic = unique storyline, not more powerful.


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HEAT, The HEATs Inherent is a power MADE for team play, in solo PVP Arena and so a like this power is 100% USELESS.

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lol-PvP

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The VEAT's inherent power is one that passivly increases Regen and Recovery rate, there by making it perfect for Team Play, Solo and PVP.


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But the base end cost of all VEAT powers was increased when conditioning was added, so it actually gives no benefit whatsoever. It's a token inherent for an AT that doesn't really have one.

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A HEAT in a team, can do low damage with limited attacks

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Sounds like you have never seen a well played keldian. My PB easiliy outdamages my bane spider in large teams, and it can solo EBs more easily too.

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So the final Conclusion is: It's Time for a Rework of the HEAT.


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I agree with your conclusion, but it would be stronger if you had used fewer half truths and missleading statistics in order to reach it.

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The greek letter Mu is pronounced 'mew' like a cat, according to every single one of my physics lecturers.

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Well, speaking as a physics lecturer, that is how I would pronounce it.

...But not being Greek, I'm not sure it's right.

They probably pronounce it "moo" in the US though.