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Well done D. It's the right thing to do. I also stick to only playing certain evenings to make sure RL things (and people) are not neglected. Catch you when you're back on Saturday

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the only reason u say u cant perma hold and AV is because when it turns on its defense, but if we start out holding it, it wont be able to turn it on!


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LOL. Mez protection is different from defence. No perma-holding AVs. Period.

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1AT Coalition Supergroup for Kheldians is already formed and stands as 'Cosmic Justice'

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Lumi, you did notice that Dave's post was from last October, right? And I always thought War & Peace would've been a much better name

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get to 45 for the raid! *cracks whip*

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This brings back "fond" memories...

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Hope to be there with Radiotherapy - only hold I have is the cloud

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Don't tell me you've dropped EM Pulse

Was aiming to get Tleo that last bar to 37 tonight, but might pop by with Brother Mindshifter

Will only comment on the /rad side. You seem to be a bit heavy on the endred slots, but with Stamina, AM and later Conserve Power, you should be fine moving some of these elsewhere.

- Rad Infection: 3 thtdbf and only 1 endred
- Accel Metab: 3 recharges (and 3 endmodif)
- Lingering rad: only one slow since enhances only affect movement (not regen). Would also add 1 or 2 recharges
- EM Pulse: might need 2 accuracy. Slot recharges instead of endred. Some people slot endmodif for the endurance drain, but that's a personal choice.
- For Temp Invulnerability, change an endred for a dmgres.

Hope some of this helps!

Tuft,

Despite it being J's raid, I would discourage anyone from respeccing purely for this (unless you really have waaay too many respecs and don't know what to do with them...). Changing enhancements in slots, sure, but a full respec? Only if you need it for other reasons imho.

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more single target holds than a troller

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Nerf defenders?

As I said before (and I think TG did too), a team of 8 controllers can easily take on any AV, swiftly and without any risk. My point was that 3 Fire/rads (see OP) would have a very hard time with most AVs because even if the mobs are debuffed, you would still need someone to take the alpha strike (or nova later for some) and to "tank" a bit since you are still a squishy. There is no way 3 controllers (any powersets) can perma-hold a high-level AV in I6. We are over-powered, but not that over-powered. Anyone who believes this just hasn't played a troller against one. Yesterday, I tried duoing Malaise (lvl 52) with my ill/rad and a mind/kin. We were relatively safe with the debuffs, but the problem was the lack of damage. A fire/kin would certainly do more damage than either one of us, but I still think that you need 3 trollers or more, and preferably a mix of powersets to be really effective.

Edit: anyway, am thinking this discussion is going nowhere really so if you want to take on AVs with 3 fire/rads, then go ahead and enjoy

Well our team got (at least) 3 tentacles with Shimmery, Jacob's Hell and yours truly (as Tleo) each taking one down

And thanks for organising this Wammy!

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Stacked Radiation Infection, Enervating Field and Lingering Radiation will mean that the AV will not be able to do a thing against them.


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I've done AVs with 2 (not 3) rad trollers, and trust me, they still get a few shots at you. Remember, this is I6.

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well if u know how to use the fire/rad powerset u dnt need anything to "tank"

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Against high-level AVs like Infernal, Mother Mayhem or Psi Babbage? OK... don't say we didn't warn you

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I reckon Fire / Kin would start having problems in the early 20s trying to continue this soloing. Plus of course there's the question on why a */Kinetics would even be soloing? Especially once they hit 20 and can start handing the Speed Boosts out.

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Fully agree . The 20s are much better if you team a lot. Now after you get your imps, you can safely solo again if you really want to (even on Invincible, if you're careful, of course). But then again, teaming is (usually) more fun anyway .

PS: I haven't bothered with a recharge on my imps: I find that if/when one dies (or when you zone), they are usually ready to be summoned again.

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Exactly. But triple-stacked Siphon Power "most of the time" in the low-20s? Even with Hasten, I'm a bit doubtful.


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Yes, it's possible, but my guess is that very few people have such a build in the low 20's. If you can squeeze in Tactics by 22, you must be missing something somewhere. Or 5 slots on either Siphon by this level? Surely these can be better used on your primaries.

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Siphion Speed covers the recharge, so its not so bad, if it hits that is

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Exactly. But triple-stacked Siphon Power "most of the time" in the low-20s? Even with Hasten, I'm a bit doubtful.

My guess is that it could work, but it would be a bit riskier than for a fire/rad. First of all you don't have the 3 debuffs. Secondly, you don't have AM which helps a lot with +dmg and +endrecov. Finally, your heal and the 2 siphons can miss since you probably won't have more than 1 acc enhancement in them (and not many rechgs, so not much stacking) and these will probably be DOs.

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fire/kin is easily the best for raw damage hands down kin is also amazing for fighting avs cos of the -regen of transfusion

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I fully agree (my fire/kin did his first AV just yesterday ). But in a team of 3 trollers against AVs, I would certainly prefer if at least one were illusion: those decoys are just too handy...

We have an all-controller SG on Union, and when we take the 50s out, the only problem with AVs is that they don't last very long . Fire/kin is arguably the strongest combo for raw damage, but if you want a troller-only team I would recommend at least 1 Illusion (preferably 2) so the decoys can take the alpha strike and tank a bit.

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Do we have too many 'alternative' builds and not enough Riflemen?

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Don't think so really. You just happened to have 2 of the 3(?) existing librarians on your team last night (Inspector Frost, aka gulf, and myself ).

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Can the scrappers and tanks all crowd round one tentacle?
Can the rangers kill the tentacle before it slaps their squishie behind?
Will the SNHS debuffs save them?
Will a quantum tentacle appear and kill all of Cosmic Justice?


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Hmmmm... I see one key SG is missing... the one whose members will hold it and prevent you lot from being wiped out

Thanks for organising this, it was all good fun. Having only been in the Arena 2 or 3 times before, I wasn't really there to try out, but just to see a bit how it's done. And let's face it, who would pass on an opportunity to pound on Chives? Go get'em now Union!

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so has union overlords got space for a grav/storm lvl 50? just curious...

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Yes we do, as long as you're willing to play him once in a while . We have about 8-10 level 50s which we play from time to time to gather inf/prestige, take out some sidekicks on AV hunts and help others in the Coalition who are in the higher levels. Lots of people in the 32-40 range at the moment, but also in the lower levels, with a steady flow of new recruits . For an invite look for Jiaozy, Fire Inspector, Gemstone or Tleollin (among others).

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Hmmm:

Controller: Psi / *
Defender: */Psi
Blaster: Ice / Energy
Scrapper: Spines or Dark / SR
Tank: Ice / Energy

* Rad, Dark, or Kinetics



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Psi is not a primary for controllers, and Dark is not a secondary for them.

The Union Overlords

Blasters: Precision Rangers
Defenders: SNHS
Scrappers: Team G.B.H.
Tanks: Armoured Core
Khelds: Cosmic Justice

Edit: what Jumi said

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Needs a good team if your going to bring her down without holds.

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Hence my point about controllers. Last time I took her down with 4 other trollers it took us about 1 minute + 15 minutes to find the 3 bloody spirits on the map

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Wiggle, wiggle

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A Fireball with containment does almost the same damage as a Head Splitter (not counting criticals). And this is without Fulcrum and debuffs (and it's AoE!)