Okton

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Does Enforcer's Maneuvers stack from different MMs? i.e. if two thugs MM would team together, would your henchmen have 4 maneuvers ?

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Yes, all their buffs work on other thugs MM's henches.

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...nerf

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Done.

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And if the defender version really does half the damage of the current (nerfed) troller one, I can't see why anyone would take it tbh (unless you're really desperate for some knockup).

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Would play a /kin again if I wasn't over-kineticized atm...

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Is that even possible? :O

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*Joins team*
Team-mate 1: SB plz!
Team-mates 2-7: SB!
Me: yes, I'm getting to all of you and trying to control a bit too.
Team-mate 4: can I have double SB?
Me: Erm... I'm the only kin on team, I can't stack them.
Team-mate 6: can you SB my imps too?
Me: Erm... might be more useful if I Fulcrum behind the tank, one second.
Team-mate 2: SB pls!
Me: it's still active.
Team-mate 2: yes, but it's gonna go away soon.
Team-mate 7: oh wait, I don't want SB in caves!
*Leaves team*

Have only played Fire/Dark to a reasonable level (post-32), but definitely one of my favourite toons for the fun of Herd N' Burn™ .

Also have a lowbie sonic/cold which I might stick with, and a dark/cold. Both seem good PVP material.

Would play a /kin again if I wasn't over-kineticized atm...

Gratz Mister! And I was just about to take a break from playing trollers until you reminded me of what Mind control can do in the right hands

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D0000000m, you got the forum account sorted

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Fixed that for ya' Radio

Gratz again DC!

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Dear Devs, please give us new powersets as DC is running out of ones to have a 50 of.

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Last I heard he was levelling a plant/dark troller...

Ooooh! Kitty's monthly 50! Gratzilations!

Given that it's pretty much the respec build of my Fire/Dark (except that I took Hasten/SS and Fearsome Stare), here's what I would suggest to 24:

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Name:
Level: 25
Archetype: Corruptor
Primary: Fire Blast
Secondary: Dark Miasma
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01) --> Fire Blast==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(7) Dmg(17)
01) --> Twilight Grasp==> Acc(1) Heal(13) Heal(23) Heal(23)
02) --> Fire Ball==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(7) Dmg(13) EndRdx(19)
04) --> Tar Patch==> Rechg(4) Rechg(5) Rechg(5)
06) --> Rain Of Fire==> Dmg(6) Dmg(9) Dmg(15)
08) --> Fire Breath==> Acc(8) Dmg(9) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) EndRdx(19)
10) --> Darkest Night==> EndRdx(10) TH_DeBuf(11) TH_DeBuf(11)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Shadow Fall==> EndRdx(22)
24) --> Aim==> Rechg(24)

And you really want Fearsome Stare asap (I would actually take it before Aim or Shadow Fall) and 6-slot with a mix of acc/Tht_Debuf/fear/rchg depending on your preferences (mine is slotted 2 acc 3 tht_debuf 1 rchg).

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But wich secondairy set would be best fitted with stone and suits the RP'ing factor? How tempting Rad sounds, i dont really like the archor on/off/on/off thing, specialy in PuG's i notice this alot. Empath i skip since i have a dedicated Empath already and doesnt really suit the RP'ing factor.

The ones i'm looking at are Storm, TrickArrow and sonic.

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I chose kin and the synergy is quite good (like SBing the slowest pet around ), but out of the that 3 you mention, I would probably choose Storm for a good team support character which can also solo a bit. I haven't played TA high enough to judge, but the synergy is not that great with Sonic, unless you want a seriously team-based build, with little soloability. Earth (not Stone ) is probably the most "hard control" focused primary (with the consequent lack of damage). In addition to tons of control, Storm brings 2 powerful attacks (Tornado and Lightning Storm), even if they come a little late (35 and 38). In addition, you have the tools to use them properly solo because of the -kback of your immobs. Sonic is a good set, but needs team-mates to shine (+res shields), and team-mates which do damage (for the -res debuffs). Your pet doesn't really need the shields since he's quite resistant to begin with, and it will be hard to use Sonic Disruption on him effectively since you have to drag him to get in melee.

So although my personal preference would be /kin or /rad, /storm would be my next choice.

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PS: Forgive the newbie-ness, but where do you find this info?

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Or here. Some of it not fully updated, but fairly reliable.

Hi Unthing.

Basically what others have said: at low levels, I did pick up one of the attacks (Pistols I think, didn't try Empty Clips). It helped a little, but I found that after a few levels, my henches were doing much more damage than me, so I focussed on my secondary (and getting Stamina). In the mid-30s I just dropped the blast and respecced into Leadership (Assault, Tactics, Vengeance) and I don't regret it (there's always some squishy dom/corr around on the team to help with Vengeance, yes you know who you are... ). You can certainly get by without them, but as other said, they stack with the Enforcers' toggles (and Supremacy), so it all adds up. I did have to sacrifice the rez and Petrifying Gaze, but might grab them as my last 2 powers (44 atm).

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Note to self 2: next time i team with okton, remember to tp him to a lv50 malta mob

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No you won't!!!

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I so will!!

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Hehe... I'll just MoG and nuke them with my troller

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Or use DP if ur regen

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on archery/dev? /e thumbsup

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VS telemining with DP on they wont kill you

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The question was: how would an arch/dev avoid getting telemined himself? . But let me know if your arch/dev does have DP

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@Kronos X

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Kron?

Here's my planned build for my rad/sonic (which I just started):

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Name: Oktophonic
Level: 50
Archetype: Defender
Primary: Radiation Emission
Secondary: Sonic Blast
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01) --> Radiant Aura==> Heal(1) Heal(13) Heal(13) Rechg(34) Rechg(43)
01) --> Shriek==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Acc(37)
02) --> Radiation Infection==> TH_DeBuf(2) TH_DeBuf(3) TH_DeBuf(11) DefDeBuf(25) EndRdx(40) DefDeBuf(42)
04) --> Accelerate Metabolism==> Rechg(4) Rechg(9) Rechg(11) EndMod(15) EndMod(15) EndMod(29)
06) --> Scream==> Acc(6) Dmg(7) Dmg(7) Dmg(9) Acc(37)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(8)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Hurdle==> Jump(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Shout==> Acc(16) Dmg(17) Dmg(17) Dmg(23) Acc(37) Rechg(43)
18) --> Hasten==> Rechg(18) Rechg(19) Rechg(19)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Enervating Field==> EndRdx(22) EndRdx(23)
24) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(24) EndRdx(25)
26) --> Amplify==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
28) --> Siren's Song==> Acc(28) Acc(29) Sleep(46)
30) --> Lingering Radiation==> Acc(30) Acc(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(36) Slow(43)
32) --> EM Pulse==> Acc(32) Acc(33) Hold(33) Hold(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Screech==> Acc(35) Acc(36) DisDur(36) Rechg(46)
38) --> Dreadful Wail==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Power Build Up==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> EndRdx(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Total Focus==> Acc(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Acc(50)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)

Some comments:

- This is mainly a PvE build, but should work OK in PvP. I have focussed on the single-target blasts and as Wyxie said, you don't need more than 3-4 attacks for a decent chain (unless you want a full "offender")
- I like to have a bit of extra control, so plan to take both the sleep and stun, which should help when soloing (might take Howl instead if I feel I need a cone attack).
- Concerning slotting, I would focus on the Tht_Debuf in RI and afterwards on the Def_Debuf. For LR, the slow enhances only affect movement (not recharge), so I find 1 is more than enough. For EF, 2 EndRdx should be enough with Stamina and AM.
- The +def in Maneuvers is tiny, so most people take Assault instead (unless you can stack with other +def). For Vengeance, the main use is +def, so only slot the other effects if you have spare slots.
- PBU: recharges are the most important so it's up frequently. With RI and Tactics, you probably don't need more Tht_Buf for PvE.
- Nukes are often skippable for defenders, but the sonic one has a nice stun, so I'm also planning to take it. It's probably not worth it if you can't fit it in earlier and slot it.
- EM Pulse, mainly used as an AoE hold (and a very good one it is). The EndMod can work against some foes (or in PvP), but the usual slotting is acc/hold/rechg.
- As Toxic Torch said, no need for 4 of the same enhancement in a power with ED (Stamina, Maneuvers).

Hope some of this helps!

I certainly think you will need Stamina, even with EndRdx slotting on many powers and 6-slotted AM. Unless you have a freespec, the only choice really is whether to get it at 24 or at 26 (and I would suggest 24, even if you have to move Blaze back a bit). If you do have a freespec, I would drop Flares and Rain of Fire to get the Stamina pre-requisites instead (I prefer Swift/Hurdle on squishies, especially if they have a heal, but Health is OK too). RoF is great if you have a way of keeping mobs tightly packed (I use it on top of Tar Patch with my fire/dark), but otherwise, not worth it. Flares is just bad compared to your other attacks.

Concerning slotting, I would suggest slotting Rad Infection with 3 Tht_Debuf first, then 1-2 Def_Debuf and 1 EndRdx (in that order).

So my build to 27 would probably look something like this:

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Name:
Level: 28
Archetype: Corruptor
Primary: Fire Blast
Secondary: Radiation Emission
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01) --> Fire Blast==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(9)
01) --> Radiant Aura==> Heal(1) Heal(11) Heal(11)
02) --> Fire Ball==> Acc(2) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(9) EndRdx(25)
04) --> Radiation Infection==> TH_DeBuf(4) TH_DeBuf(15) TH_DeBuf(15) DefDeBuf(25)
06) --> Accelerate Metabolism==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) EndMod(17) EndMod(17) EndMod(27)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(8)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Hasten==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)
18) --> Blaze==> Acc(18) Dmg(19) Dmg(19) Dmg(23)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Enervating Field==> EndRdx(22) EndRdx(23)
24) --> Aim==> Rechg(24) Rechg(27)
26) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(26)

After that I would probably take Fire Breath then Lingering Rad.

Hope some of this helps!

I still think you will need it soon, so might as well start now (you could also respec directly into Stamina in a few levels if you don't feel you need it yet). It also depends if you're slotting your attacks with endmods (at least the AoEs) and how much you solo. Want to post your build maybe?

That won't really work unless you have someone buffing you (e.g. other /rads or a kin). Once you start using the rad toggles, you will be eating through endurance. The +recov from AM is rather small and even with Hasten, you won't be anywhere near perma AM without outside buffs. So I would still suggest getting Stamina .

I have a Thugs/Dark with Assault/Tactics/Vengeance, but only 42.5 atm . Will try to level him a bit, but I might have to wait for the next attempt.

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It will still be level 5, though might try out a level 10 match just to compare.

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Thank jebus. I'm bored with lvl 5 now :P

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Well if level 10 seems balanced, we'll stay there.

However it does mean the introduction of Mez Protection, Assassin Strikes, Nova Forms... and even more evil anchor toggles!

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As well as... teh Cage of d00m™! This could be fun

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If 2 blasters can take down the sister psyche TF AV im pretty sure 8 would slaughter any AV they came across

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8 blasters against Diabolique??? ermmm... don't think so

Once you get your Enforcers, try teaming with other Thugs MMs when you can for those stacking Leadership powers. You'll see. Great stuff!

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The main reason for me getting Leadership is for getting enough ToHit to have the AoE holds' accuracy penalty at least partly negated.

Question: Is the penalty on the AoE holds ToHit penalty or Accuracy penalty?

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It's an accuracy penalty (20%) which is really not that bad if you slot 2 Acc in it (and maybe pop a yellow). Given the recharge time on AoE holds I wouldn't take Leadership just to help with this but as Phil said, PBed Vengeance ftw!

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As someone who teams a lot I think 3 hold/1 rech works better. Just wanted to point out 2/2/2 isn't the most efficient slotting in all situations and for everyone.

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Fully agree. I was just pointing out that 2/2/2 might be just as good (or better) under certain circumstances.

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Btw, AVs have only boss-level resistance when PToD are down.

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I thought it was EB level (Mag 7 mez res), but I could be wrong.