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Okay, now round up the same amount of warriors, and don't use burn. See how long it takes you without that tool at your disposal.


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Don't get me wrong, I know Ice Melee by itself is lacking. I just take exception into someone saying you can't herd well with a fire/ice. I know my name has been ranked up on the Punishers list many times when I get the bug.

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The right build and the right missions are what makes for a good farm. I don't have much opinion on the effectiveness of Ice Melee in regular missions since truth be told I haven't used him in that manner in along time. My Fire/Ice was breed to herd and it's something either me or the build do very well. I run farming missions with him often and I'm just not seeing how you say it's a bad herder.


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it does ok 5 at a time. my spines can hit the entire spawn.

i created mine in the I3-I4 ice patch/burn hey day and I have herded entire maps before. fire/ice is not the most effective or efficient herder.

ice/fire or fire/fire do better imo. With the recharge bonuses out of ice/fire, I think that one is better atm.

ice melee should be a more effective tanker secondary. FA, which should be the reason to take the set, but it is not worth taking.

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I created mine back in the i3 days also and yeah it's different, but doable. I herd Warriors 2 groups at a time for about 20+ minions/lts and I promise U , I spend no more than 2-3 minutes a group. I can run the map as fast as any AT with no fear of death. Anybody who has been on one of my runs can tell you, I make it look easy. But as I said the right AT/Build/MAP/Enemies can herd anything effeciently.

God, ultra rare IO set. God. The market for that is going to sooo crazy...Superior IO. Starting bid 100 mil.

Looks Like a EX.

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I'm sure Ice_Ember will back me up there.

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Yup, 100%.


Ice melee should not be gimped because of the combination with fire primary and burn anymore than energy melee should be toned down because of Build Up, Fiery embrace coupled with Total Focus and Energy transfer.

Ice patch/burn with build up and fiery embrace is a combo that is utilized just as Total Focus and Energy Transfer receive insane amounts of damage from build up and fiery embrace. One combo allows minions to be defeated faster, 5 at a time, and the other destroys bosses. (bosses actually pose a threat and give bigger rewards, as opposed to the minions, but risk versus reward ehh...)

saying that ice melee needs to be gimp because of burn is retarded. the other aspects of fire armor allow other sets to get large damage increases for their area of specialty.

If I could squeeze in Fiery Embrace into my build I would, and I may try it out even though it has a VERY long recharge.

If damage is given to FA, or something is done to adjust GIS, then I may take them. But FA has NO USE, and GIS is less useful than frost (once it has 3 damage/range HO's in it...) so neither will be in my build when I use the last free respec that was awarded.

And currently, my spines/vuln is a better farming build than my fire/ice tank. things dont run from the spines aoe attack... and I dont have to herd them into a lil bitty ice patch to be able to defeat them.

The fire herders are fire/kin trollers now, not fire/ice gimps. do i want the fire/kins nerfed any more? nope, I dont, but I do want a buff to ice melee. It is well deserved and LONG overdue.

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The right build and the right missions are what makes for a good farm. I don't have much opinion on the effectiveness of Ice Melee in regular missions since truth be told I haven't used him in that manner in along time. My Fire/Ice was breed to herd and it's something either me or the build do very well. I run farming missions with him often and I'm just not seeing how you say it's a bad herder.

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Ice Melee does well at all power levels

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

LOL.

And Kheldians don't suck.

And the check's in the mail.

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Whoa, Khelds don't suck.

Guess I'm the minority, my Fire/Ice seems powerful enough to me. Not expecting blaster type damage lvls or controller lvl abilities, but he lays mass waste fast. Granted I only use him to herd and as far as that goes he's a impressive force for those that have him seen him in action. I just can't see all the negatives for Ice Melee. Do I Wish I had a AOE besides the epic? Yeah of course, but man that would be overkill. Just my opinion.

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I currently have all of the single target attacks and frost from ice melee, and soloing without burn or blazing aura is horribly slow. from my test (in the other thread) it takes twice as long to solo without them just using the ice melee attacks.

a burninator with fireball will go even faster, which is why i am respecing the swords out and getting pyre epic back.

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From the Ice melee, I only took Frost, build-up, ice patch, and greater Ice sword. Yeah I'm fire and fire epic, so maybe I am sitting alil better than some of the other types. Looking now If I did have to rely on Ice as my main attacks I would be sucking. Right now It's more a support function. Normally Ice patch Fiery Embrace+Build, Burn, Frost (With dam.range maxed) and Fire Ball, will take down a whole mob.

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Ice Melee does well at all power levels

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

LOL.

And Kheldians don't suck.

And the check's in the mail.

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Whoa, Khelds don't suck.

Guess I'm the minority, my Fire/Ice seems powerful enough to me. Not expecting blaster type damage lvls or controller lvl abilities, but he lays mass waste fast. Granted I only use him to herd and as far as that goes he's a impressive force for those that have him seen him in action. I just can't see all the negatives for Ice Melee. Do I Wish I had a AOE besides the epic? Yeah of course, but man that would be overkill. Just my opinion.

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I'm on Freakin Pins and Needles!!! I hate the Unknown!!

Great Guide, has me rethinking my PB. I couldn't wait to get him to Human Only, basically using Dwarf as another Heal and a Oh Crap toggle. I don't think I've seen a high level PB with Nova form still. I remember dropping it due to fly in, shoot, mez, to hospital. I'm going to rethink my build now, since IOs and I never solo with him anymore so tri-form might be more feasible. Thanks

I have a ton of component salvage in storage, waiting on the day those buffs get some love. I wish they would stack also.

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