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Quote:When we have people with links to the save CoH petition their sig saying they can't wait for B&S on the official CoH forums there's little chance of getting the non-CoH crowd to care.Originally Posted by Another_Fan
The average gamer has the attention span of a humming bird with ADHD and when told "If we don't hang together we shall surely hang seperately" thinks it's a plot and immediately looks for the place to plant the knife.
If all I'm doing is depriving myself of something that could be entertaining by boycotting NCSoft, I'm fine with that. I'd love to see them burn for this. While I'll effectively play no part in it their stock may take care of that on its own, so it's just a matter a time. -
Quote:Yay for faulty memories.Originally Posted by GadgetDon
Actually, it's a Tony Stark quote. "Because if we can't protect the Earth, you can be damn well sure we'll avenge it."
You are correct. -
Quote:Imagine Nick Fury saying it.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
How did we fail to defend it? We can't exactly storm the server complex and take it for ourselves; it was never our property to defend.
The only ones who failed CoH are NCSoft, just as they've failed several previous games and will eventually fail all of their properties. -
We failed to defend CoH. There's only one thing to do now.
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Quote:From Father Xmas again:Originally Posted by BrandX
Bypassing the rating system? Because they choose not to have the artwork on the box be the most revealing outfit in the game, makes it bypassing the rating system?
It's being rated M for Mature. How is that bypassing the rating system?
Quote:Due to ESRB guidelines, however, our marketing material must abide by a different set of considerations than the final product. This is why Blade & Soul's rating is listed as "pending." It is NCSOFT West's intention to accurately depict the game in its original, unaltered form, with only minor adjustments for gameplay considerations. -
Quote:Presentation probably has something to do with it.Originally Posted by BrandX
Everything I've seen in B&S, I've seen far worse in CoH, which never got apologized for. Which never got the game a M rating.
CoH players could make their own cheese cake. B&S (apparently) has it prepackaged and ready to go off the rack. -
Quote:One thing to B&S's credit is the outfits are items but they don't affect stats so you can chose your look without having to run around in a micro-bikini just because it has better stats than your full plate armor suit.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Not seeing how it's going to hurt them. They have chosen to focus on the Eastern market. That market finds this topic totally acceptable. So they don't give a rat's patootey what a bunch of Western self-appointed morality police think or say.
That said, bypassing the ratings system is a pretty sleazy move.
Market it for what it is. Let it tank on its own merits. -
Quote:I haven't watched the videos Father Xmas linked yet but,Originally Posted by BrandX
Okay...what does having four sliders for breasts have to do with anything? o.O
CO basically has 4 with "breasts, body mass, chest width, chest depth" all that have an effect on the avatars breasts.
This also allows you to go flat to *facepalm* depending on the player (much like CoH with it's one slider).
And you focus on that, but don't mention all the other body sliders that lets you do so much?
Breast facing? alignment? aiming? whatever the appropriate term that's a bit much.Quote:Actually it looks like they have three or four sliders devoted to breasts. Size, spacing horizontally, location vertically and angle pointing apart (?!). Someone spent way too much time creating this.
Three of those sliders you listed in CO affect things besides breasts. Body mass affects the whole body, the chest sliders work on the whole trunk, just not the breasts.
*edit: I wonder if males have sliders to pick which way their bits of anatomy are hanging in B&S. If you can adjust that for the female dangly bits it'd be misandrist to not provide males with the same option. -
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Quote:Loathing of NCSoft aside, "this will end well". A few posts up I was going to give them some benefit of doubt but when they admit to having to cheat the ESRB, there's a lot less doubt. Especially if there are four sliders just for breasts.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I agree, it's going to be M. There was a rumor that the game was going to be censored for the NA market and NCSoft released a PR saying no way as it would upset the artistic vision of it's character concept designer. Let's see where did I see that ... here.
And if you don't want to soil your browser history, this was posted Sept 20th.Quote:...In short: We are not planning to censor or alter the actual in-game content you have come to expect from an artist such as Hyung-Tae Kim and a studio such as Team Bloodlust. Rest assured that we love Blade & Soul as much as you do, and any modifications to the marketing material are not indicative of our plans for the final content.
Actually, I'd be more ok (still not buying it or any NCSoft product) with it if they'd just market it as an H game. Cheesing the rating system just makes it even more sleezy. -
Quote:Ouch, I hope they have their resumes ready.Originally Posted by Feycat
I'm pretty sure GW2 is going to be able to float for quite a long time on their cash shop. Same way Paragon was doing just fine selling people powersets and costume sets without box sales or a sub.
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Before the CoH cash shop, I had a subscription and picked up whatever booster trickled out So $15 a month and $10(?) every three months or so. After the cash shop, they were getting the sub, $15, and between powersets and costume sets another $15 from the store a month.
From my perspective the cash shop was good for the game and bad for my wallet. <insert rationalizations here>
CO I'm approaching differently. No continual sub, just when characters approach 40 for the free slots and then using discounted time cards, limit spending to less than what a month's sub costs and buy only stuff I would have bought as gold (costumes, account wide unlocks). It's probably good for the MMO genre that CoH wasn't an 800lb gorilla, I'm probably in the minority but the ripples could have hurt the non-WoW MMOs. -
Quote:I'd put the Toddlers and Tiaras races in their own special category.Originally Posted by Starsman
Think it depends a lot on the race. There are some tiny "cute" baby looking race that seems to be rather flat-chested (and similiar to Tera's controversy "pedo bait" race)
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Quote:Does anyone know what the minimum sliders look like on B&S? CoH could go rather athletic (not entirely flat) at minimum. That'd be a more interesting comparison, as if B&S couldn't get down into average human range, then it's the designer's and game's choices, not the player's.Originally Posted by Starsman
AT some point CoH had nipples but they were textures, nothing more. In this game you just had a chance to do rather flat boobs or basketball-shaped-gigant-boobs, but not lemon shaped ones.
Hypothetical: CoH at minimum is A, B&S at minimum is DD. (Not actual sizes, exaggerated (possibly) just for example.). Then CoH "the game" can be compared to B&S "the game"
Hypothetical: CoH and B&S have minimums of A, and maximums of DD. (See previous disclaimers.) Then it's down to CoH Players versus B&S Players. -
Quote:As much as I'd like to I haven't played it to rate it and as a personal pet peeve I hate it when things get 1 star for things unrelated to the product, like when people 1 star something because Fedex dropped it off at the wrong house.Originally Posted by Starsman
1 star reviews help spread that thought.
If I could 0 star NCSoft I would, but as much as I loath them I won't purposefully mis-rate a product. -
Typos in CoH's mission text seem like such a non-issue now...
Probably very unlikely but it'd be nice if PWE/Cryptic took advantage of CoH's slaying and tried to buff out some of the rough spots. Like updating their wiki or making Justiciar say "I can't let a beginner like you try to do Whiteout alone, get some help ya hoser." when you try to start Whiteout at 18 solo. -
Quote:Their chat and forums seem to be full of whinging about lowbies in alerts where that's not a problem with DfB.Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
Alerts vs DFB/DIB. Discuss.
I just got someone up to the apparent alert socially acceptable minimum level of 18 and I'm still not sure I want to try them since a> not 40 b> not purpled c> never done them before which, at least to initial appearance, makes their use as an alternate leveling path questionable.
With DfB the worst that could happen was a badge run gets screwed up on the first badge and since you exemplar to level 2 - 6(?) no one cares what your natural level is. -
Quote:Or really stick it to them by not buying it and also convincing other people to not buy it!Originally Posted by Solo_One
Just as an FYI, amazon has it on sale for $38, you could stick it to ncsoft and get it significantly below msrp!
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Quote:I've got a $5 box code waiting for my two free slots to approach 40 so I can go gold, hit 40 and get the two free slots then go back to silver after the month is up, so I'd still need to shell out for the freeform if I wanted to keep playing it.Originally Posted by Scythus
Go Gold. You get 8 freeform character slots at the start for only $15 a month. I'd say that's a better deal than paying $50 for one.
Cryptic can thank NCSoft for my new MMO stinginess. The less invested the less to be lost.*
I had been subscribed to both WoW (since retail) and CoH (since issue 13-14ish) continuously and about the only CoH thing I didn't buy was the origins pack so it's not like I didn't spend a fair bit on MMOs. Maybe once CO proves its staying power I might sub but that'll be awhile yet.
*I always figured CoH would just go into a maintenance purgatory mode. UO (my first MMO) is still running. The EQs are still around. What's the likelihood that they'd completely shutdown CoH... -
Quote:I don't feel so bad about giving up at the boss of mission #4 now.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Currently the final mission of Whiteout is uncompletable.
The enemies in the hall spam hold until it's essentially perma.
There's supposed to be a fix coming for this...eventually.
When it's actually going to happen? Dunno.
It took more tries than I'd like to admit to finish #1.
#3 with the three sets of Mot knows how many waves of multiple villains was brutal but the crews at the shield generators weren't nearly as squishy as the guy from #1.
After getting through #1 and #3, I didn't want to call it quits on #4 but there are limits to my stubbornness. I'm sort of glad that I gave up before I got to #5 now that you've described the bug. That might have induced some table-flipping.
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Quote:Bugged for just solo play or teams as well? Hopefully just solo since there are only 5(?) TF like things in CO (the comic series and adventure packs, if there are more repeatable multiple mission TF like things I'm all ears, need selling points).Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Okay, I think I've said it before.
Whiteout is MASSIVELY bugged (and pretty much uncompletable as-is).
On a broad scale I've liked the idea behind Whiteout so far, the implementation, let's just leave it at I like the idea behind Whiteout.
Is there a better wiki than CO-Wiki? (If only NCSoft had realized, strike that, cared, just how far beyond the competition CoH and its community support were. Tomax, paragonwiki, so far I can't find their equal for CO.) -
After attempting Whiteout solo on as a silver Night Avenger I now look fondly on the ambushes in CoH that used to be annoying.
At least CoH tended to ambush you with minions and maybe a lt on normal difficulty. CO sends wave after wave villain+ and lesser types, without a pause. (So no health regen or re-stealthing to use the NA's schtick). The boss battle where one master villain became three master villains (and couldn't be targeted until aggro'd so no assassin's stike) was where I was thankful there are no nega-stars once you run out of normal stars. Stars are another thing I'm not entirely happy with. That mission is going to be sitting in my log for awhile.
Not being able to easily find what things look like is yet another but that's an issue with the wiki.
But it's that or nothing and for the $25 I've spent on it (NA, the account wide costume slots, a costume set and parts) I've got my claws stalker mostly existing and my staff tanker is now a scythe scrapper (heavy wizard's staff a> does not have a nob on the end and b> is more like giant's cancerous legbone, but the batwing scythe looks nice). If freeform slots weren't so outrageously expensive, $50, I'd have been hard pressed to resist buying one to make a more tanker version of the Devastator/heavy weapons, $5 is impulse money, $50 is not -
Quote:Got it in one.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
So, I'd imagine that is how.
The three months are just the death throes and NCSoft's attempt at positive PR spin (which a few people have taken hook, line, and sinker) . We thought CoH might have a slim chance at recovery in the beginning but we didn't know yet that NCSoft had never intended any other outcome. CoH was dead at the announcement, we just didn't know it, all the while SaveCoH was playing nice and playing right into NCSoft's hands.
NCSoft deftly avoided a deathground scenario by leaving us an apparent escape route, and we took it.
Perhaps someone that tried to buy CoH will drop a dime on NCSoft and let their revenuers know that they may want to check for some overvalued write-offs. Those "negotiations" may not have been possible without the gaming community's goodwill, so hopefully NCSoft took enough rope to hang themselves with. -
Quote:If you believe NCSoft's carefully worded statement it was realignment of focus that was the issue, not survivability.Originally Posted by Fire_Away
Why wasn't this "great" community able to force multiply the subscription numbers so that there would be no question of CoH's survivability?
If it was survivability as the issue there was a lot of fat (secret project(s), future development) that could have been trimmed before cutting into the meat.
I wouldn't say the players who left jumped ship so much as had their ship shot out from under them. We didn't get a "oh, by the way, we're going to shut your game down". We got a "oh, by the way, we shut your game down, go buy GW2". -
Quote:The punitive advancement rate of DA was the only thing to ever have me considering dropping my subscription. Ultimately the bits of new non-Incarnate content, the VIP token costumes (mecha claws were too cool for NCSoft), and access to all my characters kept me subscribed IN SPITE of DA.Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I hope some of the devs are still reading these forums and I hope that they don't make the same mistake in future games they work on because I like, for the most part, what they did here and would be more than willing to check out their new projects.
DA, if it were not attached to the incarnate system, would have been a cool zone on its own. But after Heather Heather Heather Heather Heather oh hey I can run the random map part of Heather now without looking at the screen Heather Heather Heather Heather... it lost its luster.
For everything else they did, I'd give serious consideration to whatever project they land in, but for what was done in DA there would be some reservations about any so-called endgame. -
Quote:To borrow a line from Argo, it's the best bad replacement we have.Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
I'm hoping that's how I'll feel, but I fear I'll get sick of the community and lack of updates long before too long. I'll just have to see.