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Quote:Since I'm a member, I took it upon myself to rectify that problemOriginally Posted by SunGryphon
Since it doesn't look like paragonwiki has been updated to the new SSK rules
Of course, if there are any inaccuracies, please feel free to edit it. Zombie_Man, any input you have would be appreciated
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Quote:Although not a direct corollary, your suggestion is akin to asking for primary/ secondary respecifications, so I'll take the liberty of posting this prefabricated rebuttal.Originally Posted by neoblayde
I had this posted on a different post but i believe it should go into this general Archtype post.
I would like the Devs to serioulsy review this option because i have been wanting this for years now.
Please provide feedback and suggestions as the more we ask, beg and rebel for change to more apt it is to occur.
What if you could use the existing "choose build" option to be allowed to change your secondary **OR** primary powerset only. (one or the other, not both :P )
Perhaps it could be incorporated into a "perk" upgrade, like the magic, wedding, science ect perks.
Maybe after the purchase a new contact could be placed on the map to do a powerswap of secondary powers, maybe pending a mission arc of some sort.
I Think it is penalty enough to loose all your Slotting Hancers especially if you have IO's.
I would buy it even if the Perk Upgrade cost $15.00!
After all you are only able to choose 2 builds so exploits could only go so far, if at all.
Perhaps this could become unlockable content at a certain lvl, like 25, 30, 40, or yet another Perk of becoming lvl 50.
I think it would be cool to be able to get to 50 and have the chance to "Master" different powersets. It would add to the enjoyment of getting and playing my 50's.
**New Contact Dialog Box at 50** Congrats your character has reached lvl 50, a new contact is now available to further your abilities. Arc content and contact info text inserted into pop up tab.
Like i said i would be happy to even pay for such an option. This idea could rake in yet more cash, or much needed cash because it seems that not only is the content lacking at 50 but players are becoming.....distant from COX more and more.
Please incorporate this!!!
(Reference)Quote:Welcome to the forum. You have posted one of the oft repeated suggestions, "Give us a full respec."
Disclaimer
Yes. This is a cut and paste reply that I keep handy, as well as a quick bit of instruction on how to search. Neither are meant to cause fights or to be insulting. The search instructions are in, not just because forum rules say flat out to search, but to help you and anyone else reading this use the search tool effectively.
The body of the cut and paste reply is the way it is because we've seen these arguments numerous times before. They're a summary of the salient points that come up each time. They are not here to insult you, make you feel stupid or otherwise "bring you down a peg." Instead, they are meant as instruction and information. Please read through the points and the explanation behind them to see the issues that are commonly brought up in response. They may not always match your suggestion 100% - in fact, you may have explained around one or two of them - but they're there for consideration and refinement of your idea.
Yes, I do look forward to the time, with some of these suggestions, that someone not only addresses all the points, but does so exceptionally well. It'll probably be added to the end of the cut/paste reply, with credit. For now, though, read and consider the points. They really are just there to help you, and move discussion along to help ideas evolve.
If you're going to see this and say an "evil forum vet is just shooting down your idea," or "You think you're the last word because of your post count," you're wrong. Heck, if you say the second, you've just worried more about my post count than I have in the last four plus years.
TL,DR reply
No. It breaks things too badly.
Now, on to the topic at hand....
Why a full respec is not a good idea for COH.
So, you've played your Apathy/Dual Wet Noodle Tank to 50 and decided you don't like him. You've come to the forums and said "Why not let me completely respec the character!"
Well, people consider a "full respec" to be different things. I'm going to cover a complete and total character respec. If some of them don't apply, well, this comes up enough for this to be a copy and paste reply.
There are four things that define your character:
1. Archetype
2. Origin
3. Primary powerset
4. Secondary powerset
When people talk about a full respec, they're either talking about the powersets or the whole enchilada.
A Respec is short for respecification - altering what your character can do. This can be through reordering the levels you took powers, reassigning slots, and/or changing power pools. You'll note that none of this touches on changing the four listed items. The reason being that if any of those change, it's not the same character. A respec is not recreation or reimagining. It's tweaking your character a bit.
Now, let's go through some of these "full respecs."
Primary/Secondary
You're sure to hear this repeated a good bit - Just because you've played one set, doesn't mean you know how to play them all.
For instance, my namesake tank is a Fire/Superstrength tank. I know how he plays. The most similar powerset to him at the time of writing is Dark Armor. It's resistance based, it has no knockback protection, it has a damage aura, a self heal that does damage - it even has a self rez as its tier9.
They don't play anything alike. (I can say this, because I also have a version that's DA/SS.) Fire has no Psi protection. It has no stealth. Burn has a far different effect than Oppressive Gloom, and nothing similar to Cloak of Fear. It calls for a thoroughly different style of play. With Fire, I can leave my toggles on and go to town. With Dark Armor, I have to be selective, or the times I have to herd stragglers (for instance) won't work exceptionally well. Dark Armor also does not have anything like Consume to help out with Endurance - that's in Dark Melee.
With "similar" sets being that different - try Fire vs Stone. Or Invulnerability. You now have a set at or near 50 (when most people seem to mention wanting this - "I have a 50 that...") that you don't know how to slot effectively (which means you'll be doing *at least* one more respec) and don't know how to play effectively.
That's just changing *one* side of the equation. Now add in, say, going from Stone Melee to Dark Melee. Different effects, with *very* different affects on your survivability. And you won't know how to slot that, either, or how well they synergize.
Similarly, a Stormie plays vastly differently from an Empath, or a Dark, or a Rad. Earth Control is nothing like Illusion. Combo-chasing with Dual Blades won't help you with Martial Arts.
How do I know that this ends up being a mess?
Beta testing. The devs have, on rare occasion, bumped up characters to specific levels. The most notable was when Recluse's Victory came out for testing. Everyone was made level 40 - and it was a *mess.* Sure, people made copies of their own characters, and those worked out. Then there were those (many, many of those) who said "Hey, I've never had a X/Y before, I'll make one of those!"
Like I said, it was a mess. You could very easily tell who had done that versus making copies of characters they knew.
Now, yes, over time you'll learn your powerset - but in the meantime, you're not going to be very effective, or very happy.
Archetype
Now, given what I just said about powersets, imagine a *whole different AT.* Your tank is now an Empath? Really? You know how to survive as a Blaster because you played a Scrapper? And don't even get me started on epics.
If *sets* are that different, Archetype is that times ten.
Impact on enhancements
IOs are a big part of the game right now. Think about IO'ing out your character. You get your KB protection, sets and the like, potentially spending millions (or more) on finishing up these sets, or working on merits or whatnot.
Now, you change your primary - again, we'll take a tank - from a resistance based one to a defense based one.
Guess what is now useless to you. You *may* have a power to stick that resist set in, somewhere, but now you're defense based - and those resist sets dont' work for you any more. That Knockback set isn't taken any more. It's even worse when you say you want to switch AT - what is a Blaster going to do with a resist set? What is a Scrapper going to do with Sting of the Manticore or Malaise's Illusions?
This isn't even touching on the fact that *you could only retain ten enhancements.* That's 1 2/3 six-slotted powers.
And you'd have nobody to blame for all that lost time and INF but yourself...
Origin
Origin holds a strange place in this list. I'm just going to touch on it briefly.
Origin used to matter *vastly,* back in pre-beta. It determined how many powers you could learn and how skilled you could get with them. The system was scrapped, and for a long time it was mostly an RP item, as well as determining which enhancements you could use.
It now has *some* impact in the game with some temp powers - the "helper" power you get at level 1 (throwing knives, taser, mutagen, etc.) as well as some of the vet powers. The main impact, though, would be if you'd equipped with DOs or SOs, with the lost INF. That said, you would be able to get some of it back. Origin's probably the least of the problems with a full respec. Though some would, of course, complain that they no longer get a damage bonus or what have you - and who knows what the devs may do with this in the future.
Gameplay
There are also two other things to consider.
1. The game is designed around alts.
Seriously. If this were Guild Wars, for instance, with severely limited slots, I could see wanting to do a complete respec. But by default, you can make over 100 characters before feeling a pinch - and can purchase up to 24 additional slots per server, if you so choose. Don't like one set, make some others and try them out.
2. It's just not that hard to level.
Seriously... it's not. With half debt inside missions, patrol XP, double XP weekends, XP smoothing, XP adjustments (typically up,) debt reduction everywhere... it just *isnt'* hard to level. And levelling "honestly" means you're learning your powersets, how they work with each other and others and hopefully how to use them best - which will only make you a stronger player.
In closing, let me just say "No. Roll an alt."
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All lies! Karl is really Javanese!
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Quote:I've been thinking the same thingOriginally Posted by Golden Girl
Well, the new Halloween stuff is very promising, I think - they've added tech to the game that allows multiple and linked objectives in a zone with invasion style mob scaling - so this new tech could be used for non-event stuff, like open missions - they could even be using the Halloween event to test it for something in GR. Maybe more dynamic zone events and such, like stopping vandalism or a turf war
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Don't even know how I'd function on another MMO without some form of Sidekicking. We've been spoiled I wager.
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Quote:You're right. It's called a Known Issue ListOriginally Posted by Techbot Alpha
That an any mission left broken and KNOWN ABOUT for more than an issue...
I nearly completed this mish with my Crab Spider. I might have to try it with my Bots/ Traps. Might be challenging, but I think I can probably crack it <cracks knuckles> -
Quote:Yeah, I vaguely remember that...Originally Posted by Hellguard
If memory serves, with the CoV closed beta the "regular" test server was still available; CoV was done on different servers from the normal test server. I remember having to do some weird stuff with the test client to be able to log on to the CoV beta server.
If they would have started closed beta this month, it could have come out in time for the holidays. However, I doubt that will happen, and launching a game right before the holiday season would be troublesome at best, given the bugs that can pop up, and given the amount of Support that can pop up for even the most trivial things (including computer illiterates trying to install the game). No, it will probably go gold in Jan. or Feb., assuming that we start beta testing in Nov.Quote:At any rate, I'd say the winter event will definitely go live before Going Rogue. Have they even hinted that there's a chance of GR coming out this year? As big as GR will undoubtedly be, and given the usual times for closed (and then open) beta of regular issues, I just don't see how there's nearly enough time for it to be pushed live by the end of the year, even if the GR closed beta started today. -
Quote:Hmmm... that's an interesting corralary, given recent Canon Fodder:Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Since I can't quote the quote (easily) I'll quote your mention of it.
Here's something interesting, both about the name of the Dream Doctor and about the things he says. He talks about the dreamspace, and shaving a piece off himself, not unlike how an aspect can be shaved off the whole and lead to madness, if we buy into that theory. But the thing is, it makes sense. If we believe that Rularuu is trapped within his own mind, a master of dreams would be the perfect man to do this. And, really, what prison can hold a ravager of dimensions with such cosmic powers, but the prison of his own mind, where his own power is keeping him trapped?
It makes sense to me, at least.
Even though Pocket D is not part of the Shadow Shard, it looks similar, and was created by the force of will of a superpowered being. Perhaps this is more than just coincidence? Perhaps the Dream Doctor (or a part of him) still lies within the Shard, just as DJ Zero is within Pocket D?Quote:Question: Where is Pocket D located?
Answer: Technically Pocket D is located everywhere and nowhere. Everywhere because DJ Zero can punch a dimensional door through to any location from Pocket D. Nowhere because Pocket D is a self-contained pocket dimension created from nothing by DJ Zero using his ability to manipulate the space-time continuum. Contrary to opinion, Pocket D is not part of the Shadow Shard.
Edit: And what does the Dream Doctor mean by saying the Rularuu is his "counterpart?" Are they contractually tied to each other? Is Rularuu part of the Dream Doctor? Or are they different version of the same being from different dimensions? Are we talking about Counterpart Theory? Is Rularuu really a Dream Doctor from another dimension, but empowered by devoured dimensions? -
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I'm all up for anyone else to be able to unlock certain items via recipes. As a vet, I'd still be getting them for free (no salvage or Influence required) off the bat, but non-vets could still earn them the harder way - through drops or consignment.
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Quote:/e thumbsupOriginally Posted by Captain_Photon
That said, a new head set (a la Half Helmets, which, IIRC, weren't in the game at launch) with full-enclosure helmets that have a head inside them would be cool. A lot of work, I suspect, but cool. I've often thought it'd be nice to have some proper spacesuit parts available, for instance, and something like an Apollo-Skylab A7L helmet would almost have to have such a design.
Something for JLove's costume thread, perhaps. -
Quote:I've been thinking about Arachnos EATs in particular. With their storyline (as scant as it isOriginally Posted by crimsonwings3689
And if they limit the epic ATs to their current respective sides, it would really limit the story aspect of the game. What's to say that a SoA wouldn't get tired of following Lord Recluse's orders and the "Destined One" plot line, and of robbing banks? Maybe he would like to take his services(and his spider pack) to paragon city for a change of pace/heart to help people or even to get back at Arachnos?) it makes sense. They're already trying to break the mold by "becoming" a Destined one, and in the process get duped by Arachnos, so I could see some turnabout as fair game.
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Quote:Indeed - I knew that but forgot to mention it. Wonder if that means there will be five morality levels with "True Neutral" in the center?Originally Posted by SwellGuy
There's also the always neutral possibility if someone creates a new character in Praetoria and never goes good or evil.
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Didn't play much (socializing Fri & Sat), but helped out with my lvl 50 tank on a team (hey, I'm still getting double Inf & Prestige
), duo'd with my wife, and almost got my Crab Spider to 50 (from 46). Certainly a casual weekend (no TFs or such), but still fruitful
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I'm one of those peeps that also enjoys hunting them in FBZ, mostly because there's less of a crowd there with which to compete. Takes a little bit to get there, but there are usually plenty of Fakes to hunt
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Quote:Happens to my wife and I all the time when we're duoing. A little annoying but both of us can easily blame the serverOriginally Posted by Golden_Avariel
The only thing I've noticed like this is that it seems more common now for two clients to be mistaken about where the other person is and the two push each other around until one of them moves.
On screen it always appears the other person is responsible for the pushing. It's become a joke between my wife and I as we chide "Quit pushing me!" in unison.
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Quote:Yeah, but what about Pool C & D?Originally Posted by EvilGeko
While I don't disagree with the general idea (a 30-35 SF), there's a couple of Ouro arcs in that range and now with Super-sidekicking you can just do a lower level TF for exp.
And isn't there like 7-9 contacts for that level range anyway?
I certainly wouldn't look new gift content in the mouth, per se. And being that this level gap has nothing (unlike the blue side), I can go for it. -
Quote:Trust me, when you're firing a machine gun on full auto, or absorbing the kick of a shotgun or grenade launcher, it doesOriginally Posted by Heated_Bandages
the use of endurance really doesn't fit too well with AR blasters.
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Quote:I feel your painOriginally Posted by Azrhiaz
All I can say is that I hope they hurry. After 3 issues of essentially no new content (note: new things to explore, not rehashed powersets and missions (player created or otherwise)), I'm bored to death.
I can only conjuncture on the future state of bases...Quote:Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I'm very interested in seeing how bases and trading will work out.
I don't think it would happen due to server transfer fees (and the revenue they generate), and the amount of extra hardware & software infrastructure that would be necessary to facilitate a global zone. However, if such an idea were to come to fruiting, it might be interestingQuote:Originally Posted by lmt1979
What if....the new Gray/Neutral zone is Serverless?
What would you think about that? What would the advantages and implications be?
Is anyone from Triumph attending Hero Con this year? I am unable, but if anyone is, kindly update this thread if the need arises
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Quote:Order of succession. I suspect that the next Rank 5 (or the highest-ranking character) who was online most recently would become the Super Leader. This is what happens when a Super Leader has been offline for a lengthy amount of time.Originally Posted by Vincent Morse
And that still doesn't answer what happens if the leader decides to switch sides.
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Well, if I did have to venture a guess at what might be coming up for SGs, I might have to venture this:
I could easily see the devs borrowing another page from DAoC and having three factions after GR: Heroes, "Neutrals" (for lack of a better term), and Villains. In regards to base raids, Hero bases could be raided by Neutrals and Villains; Villain bases could be raided by Neutrals and Heroes; and Neutral bases could be raided by Heroes and Villains.
There might be some lateral movement with memberships. From Ten Ton Hammer:
Quote:So it sounds like there will actually be four levels of morality: Hero, Vigilante, Rogue, and Villain. This could also apply to SG membership. For example, SGs could have Hero and Vigilante members; VGs could have Villain and Rogue members; while NGs (Neutral Groups) could only have Vigilantes and Rogues. Therefor, if a Vigilante knowingly crossed the line into Villain territory and became a Rogue or Villain, I'd imagine that character would be automatically removed from a SG once the PPD put him/ her on the Most Wanted list, so to speak.A hero will be a hero for a while and he’ll do enough content that he’ll become a vigilante... do enough of that vigilante stuff and you’ll get kicked out of Paragon City and you’ll end up in the Rogue Isles as a villain.”
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Quote:Frak, you tell me when you find out, because nobody knowsOriginally Posted by Vincent Morse
This is one of those logic questions that's been kind of bugging me...
Currently, the game is 90% Segregated. Each side has their own classes, their own content, and overlap only exists in a few places.
When Going Rogue comes out, people are going to be hopping sides like mad, partially for new content, partially for badges, partially because they really like brutes and want to take them to Paragon for a change.
But... here's the thing... Currently, supergroups are side segregated. When GR comes out, people are going to want to switch sides, but their is kind of... tied...
I mean, from an immersion point of view, it makes sense to force people to quit their SGs when switching sides... But depending on how often you need to switch sides, this could just be impractical.
And what if you lead a SG? Does everyone switch sides? Do you lose all of your prestige?
Will all SG's become neutral?
This is one of those questions that just sort of awkwardly nags at you... especially with Hero Con coming up...
Maybe we'll have more info after Hero Con. It seems to be the info gate at the moment. Fortunately, it's less than two weeks away
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Quote:Ditto; used to use that map for submitted arc's my finale. It will find it's way back in once the contest is over I suspectOriginally Posted by Demon_Shell
Too bad this came after the final submission date for the AE contest. If I could have had the correct map for mission 4 (Crey Hero Lab), I would have entered.
Still, glad to have them back/added.
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Quote:The above thread is Part_Ridiculous. Excellent use of the "slap in the face" meme though, because it totally hasn't been played outOriginally Posted by Part_Troll
Maintenance on Tuesday is guaranteed, Yet Another X8.2 day anihilated.
My patience is almost done. NCSOFT doesn't 'care' for Australian patronage, fine, I'll take my monthly fee elsewhere, there are plenty of other MMO's out there.
After five years, I've got a backlog of good single-player games which I have hardly touched.
Maintenance times shifting smack into prime-time, being extended, and being repeatedly incurred on -any- day of the week, it's a slap in the face for all the stuff-arounds we've endured.
I think I'll be announcing my formal resignation from CoH before Christmas.
Excession.
Speaking of memes, "Can I have your stuff?" Just in time for Christmas too!
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I think with the way it works, spammers don't realize that we're not recieveing their messages anymore. For example, when I logged onto my Crab Spider the other night, it said I had 1 unread email, but when I opened up the (non-red) Email button, nothing was there. So I think the new system doesn't block email, but rather auto-deletes email not from your friends or SG members. Which is fine by me of course
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Quote:Yes, the official reason, to be concise, is that "a wizard did it."Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's actually explained, or at least mentioned. It's the same way you can "phone home" from the Shadow Shard. In the case of the 'Shard, you phone Firebase Zulu, who route the call back to Portal Corp through the portal. In Cimerora, I believe Montague or the Senator explained that they has some inexplicable magical means of communicating, which I would assume routes back to the midnighters' club and from there into the city phone lines. It's forced, but it's also more convenient than it is immersion-breaking.