Oathbound

Fairly certain that IF Khelds ever got APPs (which I'm fairly certain will never happen, sadly) They would be AT specific. They wouldn't give Kheldians APPs with another armor in them. Nor would I expect to see anything at all like Soul Drain or Build Up.

On the other hand you have VEATs, which have double primaries/secondaries anywhere from 14 to 18 powers in the primaries and either 12 or 13 powers in their secondaries... So they have the same benefit of extra powers built right into their sets and still get PPPs.

Now, VEAT's don't get Forms, so they don't have the extra form powers (10 total, 4nova 6dwarf) but then they don't get locked out of two travel pools (10 powers).

All in all VEAT's have anywhere from Nearly As Many, to More powers to pick from (Primary, Secondary, Pool, Inherent, Form) PLUS get PPPs, I frankly see zero reason to keep with Kheldians not getting APPs.


Storyline reasoning FOR kheld apps; if a host was already a powered individual before merging with a Kheldian, it doesn't make any sense at all for them to never use the powers they had beforehand again. Having APPs would allow a player to pick a pool theme that fit with the pre-merging host, adding greater depth to resulting character.

*Edit to say: It's not that I'm denying that originally Kheldian APPs were considered "baked in" that part seems fairly self evident, but the game has evolved beyond that, IMO. Yes, Khelds have more powers than normal Archetypes, but VEATs (being the only other AT with a greater than normal number of powers, and thus a metric to compare against) show that the Devs are perfectly fine with an AT having both extra built in powers, and APPs/PPPs.

Same was said about giving Blaster's a self heal (in the form of porting Dark Blast), but that happened, and in fact Life Drain got buffed while doing it.

Yes it would be low hanging fruit, but as such low hanging fruit I'd have excepted it to get put into the last round of Powerset Proliferation*. It didn't. That gives me hope that if Dark Control is one of the "new powersets" that are Dev confirmed to be coming for Doms, it will be a real new powerset with new powers.


*You can't say "Oh well it wouldn't be proliferation, cause the set doesn't already exist on another archetype," cause Blasters have gotten 2 Manipulation sets via PP, and those don't exist on other ATs either.

In other circles, sure. (frankly we already have them, they're called VEATs)(I run the fire thug ambush AE on my fortunata. If endlessly nuking down groups mobs larger than your agro cap with little risk to your survival isn't tankmage then I dunno what is.)

Around the Suggestions and Ideas forums the AT proposals I tend to see most often are some variation of Melee/Support or entirely different (and generally concept locked) Epic AT proposals. (During which EAT proposals, Techbot Alpha almost without fail appears to mention: All others: Inferior. Rikti Archetype: Clear choice.)




(Edited to fix my horrible typing.)

Throw in a Grav/TA controller while you're at it (not that Grav/TA specifically is a bad combo, but rather that that's two powersets that have been begging for buffs for years and not really gotten any).





*I was gonna say a couple of them, but frankly even underperforming force multipliers are OP in multiples.

It's actually longer than Aim, by 5 seconds. (15s duration vs 10s)

About the only powers in Sonic that PB benefits are Siren's Song (enhances sleep duration), Screech (enhances Disorient duration) and Dreadful Wail (again, enhances control duration). Siren's Song's benefit is questionable though, and it's already permanent out of the box and can't stack due to dealing damage.

You can't buff the -Resist, or the KB with power boost.

I was rooting for Earth's Embrace in Earthen Assault too, especially when one of the devs described it as "tanky" alas no.

I kind of doubt the Mire thing though, since dwarf Mire is itself a tweaking of Soul Drain, which we know we won't get two of. Ultimately we're probably stuck with Power Boost again. Oh well.

I think it'd be nice to have a set that was lower damage, but more survivable (not low damage, but lower damage), and that could work really easily with Dark's theme of siphoning strength from nearby foes.

(Edited to rephrase something.)

Yeah, a ways back I made, I guess you'd call it a mock-up, of the support sets for a possible melee/support archetype. (Why yes, yes I do have too much time on my hands. How'd you guess?) I modified numerous powers to either be self-affecting (such as changing ally shields [Frozen Shield for instance] into PBAoE buffs [like how Farsight works now])*, or PBAoE toggles instead of enemy targeted (Enervating Field changed to Enervating Aura, etc).

I definitely think changes could(should/might have to) be made to the support sets, were this AT ever to happen. Storm for instance, would be a pretty terrible set to pair with Melee as is. So would Forcefield... Repulsion Field and Force Bubble would be completely counter to a melee AT. Etc., etc.


*This was back before the ally buffs got changed to ally AoEs.

(I also have complete powerset info for a fictional Defense/(control/melee) archetype. Too. Much. Time.)

Blaster Power Boost has a recharge of 60seconds (where Dominator Power Boost is 120, just like APP/PPP). An Energy Manip blaster could have perma-PB, though probably not without outside buffs (or an ungodly recharge build).

Wouldn't making it a Melee/Support just make it feel like a Corruptor with Melee instead?

Point is, I don't really care which is the primary and which is the secondary, I would play it like no one's business.

There's also no reason TO change it when you have to make new powers to fill the holes you created anyhow. So why not use that time to create the new powers for the new set?


Controllers already get multiple heavy control secondaries. Trick Arrow, Radiation, Storm and now Time Manipulation. I don't see that adding Dark Miasma to that list means a hill of beans.

Honestly I would be incredibly disappointed with that Dark Control set. That amounts to powerset proliferation, not a new powerset. There's 1 new power (and a modified pet) the rest is just a rehash of stuff we've already had for years.


Not true. Electric Assault gets Build Up. (But yeah, Dark Assault can't get Soul Drain, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Assault got Lifedrain or Siphon Life as it's "Utility" power.)

Despite the fact that Melee/Support (or Support/melee) ATs are suggested practically every other week?

The minimum recharge of Light Form is still 60 seconds, meaning at the absolute recharge cap you could only double stack it (for 30seconds). You're not going to have a double crash. Even if somehow you managed to do it, it would still leave you with capped resist and 50% hitpoints. HP crashes aren't simply a penalty, they're a reset. Crash 1 will reset you to 50% HP, then Crash 2 would do exactly the same. Sure you'd be left with no/very little End but that's nothing popping a blue or two couldn't fix.

Same boat here. Billing date is the 24th, but then I've only got like 300points atm, so I'd still have to wait till Thanksgiving to get it.

Many. many people would disagree with you. Martial Arts and Super Strength both bring specific concepts of fighting style to mind which don't really fit the "unskilled/non-powered brawler" style, and as such many feel limited by them.

There's been people asking for a street fighting type of set for years. While I'm not terribly interested in it, I think it's a nice, polished looking set.

Me either, but LJS has the best Chicken ever, so it's ok.

This is the problem that buff and debuff sets have, people don't notice when they're NOT taking damage, because there's next to no feedback about it. There's nothing that says "This attack missed you, thanks to that friendly Bubbler on your team." Where there IS feedback along the lines of "Empath heals you for XXX amount" in the form of easily noticeable little green numbers.

If there's nothing TELLING them that you're being useful, they're more inclined to believe that you're not.

Sorry to bug you Bubba, I almost alway correct my spelling in chat.






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(That said, I don't try to correct others.)