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Quote:How about this:Originally Posted by Stormbird
... er... no, it doesn't. I'm assuming you're looking at Force Bubble.
1. Bubble people.
2. Push enemies into corner/ditch/room/whatever's handy, generally grouping more together.
3. Use your controls/blasts/minions to beat them up while they're there. The melee can do the same thing.
Yes, they're out of range of dispersion bubble *if* you're just using that to hold (say) a doorway without a corner behind it, but if you're using terrain you can cover them, as well. Besides, most melee are going to have something else to go with the bubbles (their own def, regen, resist, etc.) while most squishies are going to be able to stay back to some extent.
If you have to get closer, Repulsion Field can work. It is trickier to use, though (and I think more stuff resists KB than resists Repel. It is, however, better to use with most AOE Immobs, as Force Bubble will still push immob'd enemies around in most cases, where almost all control sets will resist the KB. Of course, if they're immob'd, they're not going anywhere *anyway* so it's somewhat moot!)
Besides defense, the secondary tools that Forcefield brings to the game are almost entirely things that a large portion of the playerbase hates. -
Quote:I made a Sonic/Mental blaster once,... for the express purpose of making the most audibly annoying character ever.Originally Posted by Indiramourning
Now if only I could tolerate the sound effects of Sonic. It's the one blaster set (I'm a blaster fanatic) that I can't get past the teens before the power sound effects drive me up the wall.
Siren's Song > Howl > Psychic Scream > Shockwave
Honestly though, Ice's sound effects are some of the worst in the game. A long time back my computer's sound card went out, and during my time without sound I made a WP/Ice tanker and got him all the way up to 43. Then I fixed my sound, and now I can't stand to play him. -
No specifics, but the sets I feel could use adjustments (minor or major) are:
Gravity Control (Still)
Ice Control
Martial Arts (Particularly the Stalker version)
Claws (Stalker Version)
Dual Blades (Particularly the Stalker combo settup)
Forcefield
Sonic Resonance
Trick Arrow
Psychic Blast (Blaster version)
Electric Blast
Assault Rifle
Dual Pistols
Electric Assault
Earth Assault (Primarily Stone Spears/Hurl Boulder)
Peacebringers (Still)
Devices
There are also individual powers I would buff, though I don't think the sets they're in necessarily need buffed as a whole. -
Quote:Can we get the reason for the exposed belly?Originally Posted by Noble Savage
Penny's story will begin to unfold in the near future, so I'm not going to touch that with a 30' pole, but in the meantime, here're a couple of design notes about the costume, which I think will help answer some of your questions:
--the costume color palette (red, white, and blue), and it's distribution across her figure were very carefully chosen to fit the character as we know her and to acknowledge where the lore's taking us in the future. As some of you correctly guessed, the palette does tie back to her original, civilian colors.
--simultaneously, it's meant to emphasize the 'good guy' colors (red and white) already established throughout Paragon (e.g. the Freedom Phalanx logo and the uniforms of organized hero groups like Longbow and Hero Corps.)
--and of course, red/white/blue is the classic American color palette. Not an accident.
--black is a neutral color that always looks cool, but it's de-emphasized here because it doesn't have any special meaning in the lore (unlike red and white) and because black tends to look both grim and mature, neither of which would be a good fit on Penny. She's a young gun, so light, bright, and more traditionally saturated super-hero colors are the best fit for her character.
--regarding the tech pack and what it does: think Cyclops' visor or Banshee's rig in X-men: First Class. Penny's new rig both focuses and intensifies her already formidable psychic powers, and visually, it gives us something different and new, beyond the normal Jean Grey/Sister Psyche template.
I could get way, WAY more specific and tell you why every rivet and strap is where it is, but I think I'd rather do that later, when you can see the actual concept art.
It's fun to watch you guys get this deep into costume design.
That's really the only headscratcher for me. It just feels really incongruous with the rest of the costume. -
Many(most) of my characters have a very lose concept at creation, but I tend to do it backwards...
I don't (often) come up with a concept, then pick an Archetype/powerset/costume to match that concept. I come up with the powerset/Archetype combo I want to play first, then make a concept to fit them. The costume design stage can occur either before or after the concept forms, depending.
I rarely actually write a backstory/bio though (because I'm a terrible writer), so the vast majority of these concepts only exist in my head.
My current favorite is my Time/Fire Defender, Archmage Beornan:
(I need to get an updated Pic of him, since I unlocked the Celestial stuff. For the most part all I did was add a back piece though.)
He was an Oranbegan from the time of the Mu wars, but rather than accept a pact with the Prince of Demons he cut ties with the Circle of Thorns and fled into exile.
From the relative safety of exile he bore witness to the horrific acts of the Oranbegans and their Demonic cohorts/manipulators, and ever since then he's devoted himself to looking for way to destroy the pact and free the souls of his fallen people.
My other favorite concept character hadn't existed on live for years, cause I didn't really like the way Grav/FF played, but I remade him in anticipation of the Gravity update.
Forcesphere (Grav/FF Controller)
(I'll be swapping his Aura to Magnetic once I unlock that for him.)
He's a product of Crey Industries' Revenant Hero Project, who went on to be a major part of Project Forcesphere, a secret operation involving construction of a fortified lunar research station (yay Moonbase!).
He was being used maintain the base's force dome, and maintain earth-standard gravity before he was liberated from the laboratory by a group of heroes.
I need to flesh out the concept more (like I said, I didn't like how Grav/FF played(mainly the Grav/ part)). I know that when he's first released He'll have been a bit... unstable, and I know he'll be a villain for a time (Need to get him Scorpion Shield), before eventually settling more as a Hero-leaning-more-towards-Vigilante (Particularly where Crey is involved).
He's a work in progress,.. for many years.
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Quote:Add another.Originally Posted by ketch
Toss in another vote for Dark/Time being the most popular girl in school. I'll probably roll one too. I'm still deciding if it will replace my main.
The potential for easy softcap is just too much to resist. Arguably you wouldn't need to softcap with all the -tohit, but I'd still do it, cause I like having the extra buffer against defense debuffs.
I would have rerolled my Dark/Poison Merman corruptor as a Dark/Poison controller, but the wolf pet kinda ruins that. I still like the puppy though... if he'd just stop all that yapping...
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Quote:This is still my favorite of the options.Originally Posted by Codewalker
Sad but true.Quote:Originally Posted by Codewalker
Keep in mind though, that she's already been featured in promotional art, so it's unlikely the costume will change at this point. This is just for fun.
EDIT: Though they did indicate they may be changing her face once the new Asian face is available from that Chinese new year set, granted you can't really see her face in the promo art, but there's still some hope... maybe. -
Quote:This right here. I actually liked the costume better when it looked like it was JUST a bikini bottom, not a bikini painted onto a pair of tights. (Though I still didn't think it was the right look or Penelope specifically.)Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Spelling fixt.
And it's not about the midriff. It's about the bikini bottom being so out of place color-wise when you have a midriff. If you noticed, two of my example recolorings kept the midriff. Nobody is against a bare belly. They're against a bare belly *for that outfit*.
As is, a bright red zippered bikini over a bright white tights and a bare belly is problematic not because it's slutty, it's a problem because it's a fashion disaster.
It just doesn't make sense given the rest of the costume. -
Quote:Costumed Penny represents her several years later in the timeline, changing her model in Faultline would make no sense, as that's chronologically years ago when she was still a juvenile.Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I knew she was Penny... Most of us knew it I guess, since we saw the poster.
Love her new look, but I agree, tight pants need to be back instead white.
I hope the update the model in Faultline, also thePraetorian wearing a Seer costume, give her at least her new face.
I predict awesome stuff coming. Its like CoH getting better and better and no signs of running out of ideas or new stuff. I like that! -
Quote:Zombie Man's alternatives were done on short notice, with photoshop(most likely) though. Not with the resources that the costume designers have at their disposal. There's no reason to believe that the texturing of the pants wouldn't show well using the actual in-game costume creator.Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
The white shows off the vertical seam. Zombie Man's alternatives make it nearly impossible to see. This may partly be why the devs settled on white. I suspect they explored other color options, just like Zombie Man did.
For example, here's a current textured pant option in-game, shown in both Red and White:
The Defense tights:
And the upcoming Olympian Guard set:
There's no real loss of visual texture until you get into very dark colors which hide the shading. I anything I find the texture more visible on the red than the white. -
Quote:See, I like option 3 so much better. Though the white pants are still very out o place without other white bits to go with it. (The strappy parts, while they might be set to white, are much more gray looking.)Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Yeah, I"m on the side of 'too busy' for Penny's costume. As well as struck by how the outfit screams "LOOK AT THE BIKINI... IT STANDS OUT AND SHOUTS 'HERE I AM' AT YOU!!!!'
Basically, it just needs color reassignment to make the bikini 'fit' and not 'jump out.' It can be done in lots of ways, some suggestions:
So very much this.Quote:Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Well, the problem I have (and it's honestly not some huge big problem, just a feeling kind of like when you have a niece you haven't seen for five years and when you do see her, she's suddenly a lot more woman than you were prepared to acknowledge in contrast to your memories of an immature, sweet kid) is that it's this character. If it was on some character I didn't know or care about, or if it was a character who was an adult from the "get go" then I wouldn't really make much of a comment about it. -
Quote:ACK, another level of squick!Originally Posted by Katie V
If Primal Penelope is the daughter of Vanessa DeVore the way Praetorian Penelope is, then being 18 in Faultline says...unfortunate things...about Wu Yin's taste in women: Vanessa was somewhere between the ages of 9 and 15 when Penelope was conceived.
If she was 14, that's better: a 30-something Wu Yin being involved with a college-student Vanessa is far less disturbing.
I really don't mean to sound negative, I really like the Penelope Yin character, and I'm happy she'll be getting a bit more development...
Just, liking her already, I really want the best for her, ya know? -
Honestly, the more I look at her costume, the less I like it.
There are a number of reasons, so I'll go by then one at a time:
1) The exposed midriff. There's no reason to have an exposed midriff except sex appeal, but the rest of her outfit is blatantly Unsexy. This just makes the costume look scatterbrained and unfocused. Also, visceral "DO NOT WANT" reaction to the idea of Sexy Penny.
1a) There's no way I can accept her age as 22. There's just nothing in Faultline that feels like she'd be 18. I'd be more comfortable believing that she were 18 now.
2) It's very busy. With the random zipper looking parts and buckles and straps. It's very.... eye straining.
3) The white part feels very tacked on. Like the costume wasn't really thought through. Which, I can see, since it appears to recycle bits of Praetorian Penny's trial outfit.
4) Holy Eyebrows Nocturnal-Flying-Mammal-Man!
Honestly I liked the look of the illustrated one better, before we knew she was wearing pants (though again, no thank you sexy Penny). At least the "sexy" of the bikini bottom matched the "sexy" of the exposed midriff. The upper arm bits made it look like her arms were also exposed, as if her top had a Tee sleeve, which again agreed better with the "sexy" of the midriff/legs.
Also, the strappy parts under he shoulders looked like they might be military cords, similar to those on the Gunslinger jacket, like so:
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Quote:Agreed. So strongly agreed. No way does the Faultline info/story convey her as 18. And "Sexy Penny" just feels so skeezy to me.Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Yeah, maybe it's because she grows up off-screen, or because you can still go to Faultline and visit teen Penny, but either way it just feels a bit slimy to be looking at at her as a "sexy" character.
***EDIT***
Eighteen? There's no way that Faultline Penelope looks or acts eighteen. I always figured her for about fourteen. -
Quote:Honestly, looking at that pic, I rather wish the midriff part were just the same white tights as the thighs. The skin tone section just looks really out of place.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Actually, strike the white part. Just connect the top red part and the bottom red part together. There's no reason for the exposed belly. If you want "sex appeal" the red one-piece bathing suit look should be sexy enough. -
Quote:So what has changed that makes it okay for them to "bite of their nose to spite their face" now?Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
It just means that they knew better than to bite off their nose to spite their face.
If anything he's more integrated into the game, with more content involving him, making it harder to get rid of the guy.
And yet they're doing it anyway.
If the wanted him gone two years ago, they'd have found a way to get rid of him. It would have been no different than now, except it would have been easier. -
Quote:I think the fact that killing him came up multiple times, only to be rejected multiple times, just goes to show that it wasn't malicious.Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
You'd be wrong, and Matt makes that perfectly clear with his declaration that the game has finally "left the nest". Likewise from his Intrepid Informer article where he makes it clear that killing Statesman was a topic that came up more than once over the years. Additionally, I've seen a facebook posting by an ex-dev who flat-out said that Matt had been looking for an excuse for years.
Statesman was terminated with prejudice. Whether they did it in a "good" way or not is up to your individual tastes, but make no mistake that the current devs considered Statesman to be baggage that they wanted rid of.
Had it been out of spite they wouldn't have waited this long. -
Quote:I'm in the same boat.Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino
Personally I'm not too enthused about it, since it lost a lot of mitigation by losing fearsome stare's fear *and* -tohit. It's harder to cover for the missing -tohit with the fade buff, since it's such a short duration. Plus, the character of the set is different, as before it was basically all debuffs and you didn't really have to worry about your allies too much.
It's just not the same anymore (in power, powers, or general feel). I've wanted Dark Miasma for controllers for as far back as I can remember, but honestly, Darkness Affinity?
Meh. I can do take it or leave it.
It's mostly about the tone of the set. I dislike the loss of Fearsome Stare, sure, but if the two new powers had been offensive in nature (Debuffs) then it'd probably still have been a day 1 roll for me. -
Quote:This is correct. Living Shadows and Shadowy Binds do have -KB.Originally Posted by kinaki
Yes, it does. 15seconds in fact.
Well, Heart of Darkness does have a 5foot larger radius than Hurricane.... so.... maybe it'd still work?Quote:Originally Posted by kinaki
I was contemplating rolling yet another stormy with it until I saw that the stun is pbAoE... which would be quite annoying to fit in with herdicaning. -
Eh, why not?
Archmage Beornan - Time/Fire Defender
He's an Oranbegan from the time of the Mu-Oranbegan war who went into a self imposed exile rather than agree to the pact offered by the Prince of Demons.
He's basically been hopping around the time stream looking for solutions the plight of his people (which brings him into conflict with the Demons who want to uphold the contract, and their pawns within the Circle quite a bit). He works with the Menders of Ouroboros quite a bit, since they have a good deal of experience manipulating the time stream. (I of course got him the Ouroboros and Cimerora day job badges, to unlock the Time Lord badge)
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Quote:Well, if we're talking about NPC powers....Originally Posted by Lucky666
I would pick Sister Psyches ability to mind ride. Wut did I have to pick only a power us PCs have?
I think I'd have to pick Vanessa DeVore (Giovanna Scaldi)'s ability to mentally dominate/manipulate/control thousands of people at a time, and occasionally eat a soul or two for a quick no-calorie pick me up.
I promise I'd use my powers for good... maybe.
Edit: Who am I kidding? I'd be on the path to complete world domination within the year. -
Ummm...... Well, I was going to say either Personal Force Field (virtual invulnerability) or Fly, cause come on, flight...
Then I thought of:
Quantum Flight. Two birds for one stone.
On the other hand.... If choosing Bright Nova got me the ability to fly plus the 4 blasts, I'd probably pick that. -
Quote:It's in flux.Originally Posted by DoctorWhat
What's Dark Assault like?
Synapse is working on designing a new PBAoE power to replace Death Shroud, because a PBAoE damage toggle conflicts horribly with Nightfall's fast recharging and very narrow cone.
Also, Moonbeam, which many people hate, in the level 20 spot, which many people hate even more.
Current settup is:
Dark Blast
Smite
Gloom
Nightfall
Gather Shadows (+Damage +Special)
Moonbeam
Life Drain
((Death Shroud, soon to be the new PBAoE instead))
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Quote:Well, if and when an alternate means of acquiring them is added, then I'll get them. Not a second sooner than that.Originally Posted by Von Krieger
They are not going to launch with an alternate means of getting the Super Pack costume pieces. Tier 9 VIP's can use their Paragon Rewards tokens to get the packs.
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Quote:That... would be very counter-intuitive given his repel field. (Why a singularity repels* anything is a bit of a head scratcher.)Originally Posted by Hindenburg
considering a Singularity is one of the most powerful force's in the universe...Let's give Singy a damage aura!
(Also note that, ironically, none of the powers with Repel in their name actually are repel. They're all knockback.)
