OPTICAL_ILLUSION

Here we go again.

I really don't understand some of you. It's like your brains just can't seem to grasp simple concepts.

PvP means.... Player vs. Player

A PvP zone is where players can/will/are gonna' attack other... players (OMG NO!)

The Devs coded this game to function in a particular way. Aside from exploits, players who play the game that the Devs coded to function in a particular way are not doing anything "wrong". They are merely playing the game that the Devs coded to function in a particular way as intended. It is not the players fault or problem for playing the game as intended as per dev coding that makes this game function in a particulay way, it is the fault and problem of those of you who don't understand that the game was coded by the Devs to function in a particular way.

If you can't understand how or why you are allowed to do or not do certain things in this game, please always keep in mind that the Devs only allow us to play the game that they coded to function a particular way.

If for any reason any of you are in doubt of what I'm saying and still feel that players are actually "in the wrong" for playing the game that the Devs coded to function in a particular way, then I suggest you PM one of the Devs and ask them if it is in fact wrong/mean/nasty/cheating/bad/evil/disrespectful/dishonorable for players to play the game within the confines of the coding that the Devs coded which allows us to play the game in a particular way.

My comments were on topic.

You can't make statements like this...

1. Smeg is evil.

2. Game codes > imaginary social codes.

3. PvPers like getting recipes worth up to 4 billion off the market.

4. Whoa MB good comment! Wait a sec, is someone else posting from your account???

It will be fun farming you.

Dear Dahjee,

I have pvped quite a long time now, have a varied amount of toons and I know the pvp system well enough to know that the Trap set is way low on the food chain of "overall" viable pvp toons.

Can someone make the Traps set work and get kills? Yes and only under certain circumstances because the set has many limitations compared. Anything can seem to perfom decently in large or very organized teams but take those two away and you have a very subpar set.

You may have found a nitch in SC on Virtue but honestly, SC has mostly low HP, poorly slotted, tight and limited power builds that are controlled by newbie fight club pvpers. In that zone against that quality the Trap set does ok so more power to ya, but I'm sorry to say that the 50 RV zone play for a Trap set was/is/always will be much more of a challenge for that subpar and situational set.

By the very nature of the Trap set powers there are way too many counters for it to be considered an overall good pvp set. If most of zone play were stand in one place and fight then I would have a trapper on my team everytime or make one myself, but unfortunately that is not how zones play out.

You have your nitch and tricks that work situationally against newb fight club pvpers, but please stop pretending that traps is anywhere near a competitive pvp toon when there are so many other better choices out there even among the other subpar sets.


Thanks for reading,
OI

Kiri "Logic"

First kiri asks for this...

Lulz at calling me oblivious and retarded when almost your entire post read like you are completely oblivious and retarded.

"Showing your true colors" was the nice way of say that you are a one of those QQ zone newb pvpers.

QQ TP foe griefing QQ

QQ zone critter griefing QQ

Aside from some spots in SC where people have complained about being TPed out of the hospital there are no other issues.

You are oblivious to the fact that the devs created it that way and retarded to think that droning is not a valid zone tactic.


Think before you post next time or don't and keep making yourself look bad mr/mrs "showing your true colors". I'm inclined to think the latter.


-OPTI

With all due respect, most of us don’t want to work with this 99% garbage PvP 2.0 system, we want it in the trash where it belongs.


Here is my quick list...

No DR. That’s what debuffs are for.

No TS. That’s what debuffs are for.

TS like TribHavok suggested.

No HD.

Put back -Max Run Speed.

Get rid of Elusivity.

Keep Phase combat.

Get rid of PvP damage resistance.

Keep damage holes closed in our “shields” but offer “shields” at lowbie levels. So in other words, get rid of the level 41 only epic requirements crud and make them like any other PP. Scaling the powers just like everything else. No it won’t unbalance PvE and it will offer “shields” to those PvPing in low level zones.

If attack damages are to remain higher then all ATs and attacks need to reevaluated not just blasters. Also, the amount of base resistance, defense and HP should be looked at as well.

Base HP for PvP should be evaluated irregardless of whatever changes take place.

Rep cash in system for PvP IOs.

I've been a fan of limiting certain buffs from being stacked as well.

Review every AT set and power for PvP compatibility.

*I have an idea for a Mez system but I need some time to work out details.


When it comes to melee ATs I personally feel there are just too many limitations and sacrifices being made when building for PvP in order to be competitive. After having to take and slot all of the armors and utility powers for survival I'm generally left with 1 travel power and very few (7') attacks. I think they should combine all (under tier 9) armors into 1 or 2 toggles that have utilities built in as well so that basic survivabliity does not become such a huge performance sacrifice compared. Then they could throw in a couple of "useful if taken" but "skippable if desired" powers like other sets have.

or..

Just provide all melee with tier 9 "super armor" toggle armor that cancels out the other armors.

Either way melee toons need to have more flexibility.

Defense (along with other attributes) lowers so that a normal player like you can get kills against experienced players and earn PvP IOs that are selling for up to 4 billion off the market.


I know what you are thinking... Optical that sounds crazy! How does having the SR defense for both an experienced and normal player at 15% help a normal player beat an experienced player???

I have no effing clue really.

Just messin' haha! The clue is that PvP was designed so that we all die easier to increase chances of reward. Most of the rewards are going to experienced players and teams anyway because the Devs have created a system where is is much easier to kill normal players and teams.

BUT if you don't believe me and are the "in need of proof" type then I shall provide.



"Sunstorm

OK, so now that things have calmed down a bit, here's the low down on this one.

Macskull and Warface both got it right. When we looked at how the PVP system was going to work with a rewards system, the result was pretty nasty. It's a massive oversimplification, but normal players could not compete with experienced PVP'rs, which wasn't much fun for the normal players.

PVP needed to be reworked so a normal player had a reasonable chance of beating an experienced player. Otherwise, normal players simply will not play if they have no chance of winning. Ending the /threadjack there though."