Nihilii

Not saying there's anything wrong with the above, but personally I'd rather have Aid Self and convert all my insps into reds.

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I'm getting the strong vibe that you're one of these people who believe reading one article on Wikipedia makes them an expert on the topic, especially as anyone informed about hyperinflation would choose today's Zimbabwe as an example rather than Germany in the "30s" (<= cough cough).

That being said, don't get me wrong, I like Wikipedia too. While I don't use it as a source of information for stuff I don't know anything about, as someone who doesn't speak english fluently I think it's a great tool to share the basics of something I do know, without having to go through the trouble of typing it myself.

Allow me to link this.

I see more hyper...bole than hyperinflation, here.

This isn't real life, and people don't need to spend inf for needs such as food, homes, health care, education ; you know, life. In game, most priced things you can buy in the market are luxury - doubly so, because not only not you nor your character needs IOs to live, but SOs can also be bought at stores for a fixed price and are all you need to get through all the content in this game.

Common salvage can't get to the tens of millions, because it's simply too common. Unlike real life where specific goods must be obtained in specific places, here anyone can attack any mob and have a chance to get any kind of drop. Notable exceptions to this rule are purples IOs (level 47 mobs and above, if I recall correctly) and PVP IOs (drop only from players in PVP) ; and indeed, we can see the prices on these things is significantly higher than everything else, although the reasons above aren't the only cause of that.

No major collapse of the subscriber base will occur because of a (real or perceived) problem with the economy. A significant part of the playerbase (arguably the majority) doesn't partake in any way in the market or even the invention system beyond common IOs. Most players who really want to get the best stuff start adapting their playstyle to get it, either by farming or playing the market. The only folks who lose here are the few powergamers in denial, who will claim against any evidence they're casual gamers, and will not take any steps to get to their goals.

Power Slice and Boxing are slotted just because I had a few slots left over and didn't know what to do with it.

And I just realized I read "out with enough fluffies being spawned" as "without enough fluffies being spawned", assuming you were either implying romans couldn't be used or didn't think about that. Oops.

For me, the funniest thing in this thread was that not only you thought starting this thread was super funny (which might be understandable if you're young and haven't been on the internet for more than 3 weeks, I guess), but the numerous ironic answers you got completely flew over your head.

I think the verb you were looking for was "to address". Yes, I just addressed everything Siolfir just said.


Last but not least, he also failed to account a specific kind of power no stalkers have access to : damage auras. Anyone using Hero Stats and a damage aura can tell you it'll usually account from anywhere between 10 and 20% of total damage output.

"Not all brutes have damage auras !"

Tough. This is a discussion about the highest potential DPS, and the brutes with the highest potential DPS are brutes with damage auras, just like the stalkers with the highest potential DPS are stalkers on full teams where all teammates sit in a 30" range.

"A powerset issue is completely different from a teammate issue !"

Different in what way, one of them advantages the stalker and not the brute so it's OK to include it, but the other isn't so it's best to forget it ?

If you go further than simple base mods for ATs, you're not going to get to the highest possible DPS with Dual Blades (for example). It is implied the best powerset available for the task is used.

Now if you add AoEs into the mix, this doesn't look well for stalkers, but that's not the topic - at least I hope it's not, or Siolfir is even more out of touch with meleers than I thought. I assumed the whole thing was about ST DPS and rolled with it, as this is the situation where stalkers are competitive.

I've pretty much said anything I could on the topic and am not interested in discussing it further (especially as half of the "points" are either factually wrong or random insults from emotion) so you'll excuse me if I "ignore everything you just say" past this point. On the bright side you can pretend I left because I couldn't find anything to reply and highfive each other, make up a story about me being a stalker hater or something so you don't have to refute my points. Everybody wins.

You're supposed to follow up with an explanation of why you think that way, not just try to throw insults for the hell of it. Otherwise, it kind of defeats your point..

31% chance to crit = 31% chance for extra damage to happen when you're not expecting it.

Brutes have total control of their damage, anything they will waste is because they want it wasted or don't care. Barring a build up proc IO, a brute will always do the same expected damage with an attack.

With their 10% chance to crit, scrappers will have more overkill damage than brutes, and less than stalkers.

No matter how you try to spin it, if your weakest attack does 80 damage, and a foe has 80 hit points left, in your hypothetical perfect scenario with 7 teammates all in a 30" range, there's a 31% chance you crit and waste 80 damage. How much more overkill damage does a stalker exactly is debatable, but the fact that he does is undeniable. This is how random works.

It is 8 seconds. Period. Anyone can check it easily in game, even if they don't have a stalker ; create a stalker on a server where you have a free slot, get hit or attack something, time the time it takes to get back to hide with a stopwatch. I'd question your own experience with the stalker AT if you believe it is 6 seconds, as there is indeed a very large difference between 6 and 8 seconds.

Siolfir drawed conclusions using his faulty math that didn't include overkill damage and assumed 80% Fury for a brute, yes.

I can't see how this is any relevant to any of what I said in this topic.

Look, some of you guys really need to get a grip on reality. I like stalkers. I play stalkers. I think they are just fine and viable as teammates. I am just reacting against the absurd argument that, because stalkers have the highest possible damage under perfect circumstances, they supposedly have the highest possible damage on "many, many team situations", to quote someone. This simply isn't true, and this is the only thing I'm debating here.

Trying to switch the topic and cover the holes in your argumentation by labeling me as The Great Satan stalker-hater will fall on deaf ears, as far as I'm concerned.

See above point.

See above point.

See ab... Uh ? All my sentences are finished. Yeah, ok, I don't get that one.

Completely irrelevant to my argument, but OK, if you say so. I'm only concerned about the claim that stalkers have the highest DPS based on damage numbers, couldn't care less about compare and contrast with AoE builds.

I am reacting to the idea that stalkers having the best potential damage leads somehow to them having the best damage, as this idea either ignores the difficulties in reaching the exact conditions needed to get to this damage level or ignores game mechanics that will lead to a lower result.

You can't start something with "this is the best DPS" and complain because people argue against it from a "best DPS" point of view. That's the whole reason they're arguing in the first place.

I'd advice you invest in a stopwatch before you tell people what they obviously know or don't know, too.


Best Regards.






Ok, that last line was just because whoever nerdrage-redrepped me with "y so srs?" made me laugh. GRR ! How dare Nihilii says stalkers aren't the ubar best evar at DPS !!! I know, I'll tell him by red-repping him ! HAH !

Just to clarify, it's Power Sink I was talking about, and I'd actually use it in normal gameplay - I was specifically thinking about AV soloing there (or any situation where you want as much DPS as possible), and I plan to use Energize as soon as it's up in that situation.