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Quote:I don't completely disagree but years ago I tested this with a friend and we had what we worked out to be equal slotting. You can jump into some groups and actually share the aggro. Different enemy groups will debuff and change the results but I would agree that Ice is on the whole better.Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome
Now I won't argue that Dark & Fire are quite competent at getting and holding aggro but their auras aren't as efficient as Ice. If you don't believe me then team with an Ice tanker and try it out. Both of you jump into a group and see who gets the aggro. I guarantee it'll be the Ice tank. An Ice tank is as supreme in his area of excellence as a Granite tank is in his. -
Quote:With regards to Dark and Fire doing a better job at holding aggro than say Ice. I disagree. -Tohit can happen and ticks can miss.Originally Posted by Sunstormer
Dark and fire do a much better job at this and can live longer too... -
Quote:Whilst I know there is a little bit of trying to teach eachother how to suck eggs between us. I just want to clarify something where you wouldn't consider tanking AVs without being attacked a best method because the team is losing out on your damage input. This depends on the team make up as it may not be typically the most preferable team make up. The fact that you are directing damage away from the team or nullifying an AVs attack chain can mean that the team does more damage within a set period. I couldn't always put a tanker damage output over other peoples in the team purely because they do more damage and to do more damage they need to survive by any means. Sometimes you have to sacrifice some personal damage dealing in order for the rest of the team to perform better. The job of tanks is to redirect damage from team not have it land squarely on the team.Originally Posted by Sarrate
For example, you can tank AVs without ever being attacked, but I wouldn't consider that the best method. Why? The team is losing out on your damage output - the AV would die quicker if you were in melee range dealing damage.
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Wouldn't a tankender be normally called a tankmage in other games?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Not to mention the amazing fun you can have when Teamed with a Stone/** Tanker and it herds 3 or 4 mobs.
Aggro cap is 17, any tank should cope with that. Oh wait, it's the stone that would take more time. -
A good player should not say "<primary> needed" because it doesn't have to be that way, preferred is another matter. The team could be random and the last spot doesn't even need to be a tanker let alone of a certain primary. For easy mode, I think of Stone as the easiest but it has it's drawbacks.
I still don't recall playing my stonetank with a kin. I couldn't be oblivious to that? Could I? XD -
Any number of things can cause it to slow down. If for some reason it looks like that can happen we can set a new date. Easier to set a new date with everyone around.
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Aiming for a first run Sunday 9th of May 7:30 pm if I can get hold of people, otherwise we can set a new time which will be easier with everyone that is present on Sunday.
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Perma hoarfrost helps make you a bigger bag of hitpoints with any damage type.
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I think rechg is priority but the whole of the build matters and should be taken into account when slotting. If your gaining very little rechg at the expense of an outweighing amount of heal then ya can change ya thinking. Stacking healing flames is good for toxic res.
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For a test we can get as little as four of us together to takedown Lord Recluse, but I will suggest atleast 3 of us with Novas in RV. The test should be a walk in the park...literally.
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I've assigned roles to peoples builds that I've seen so far
@New Dawn - Antagonist
@Jonny Cash - Tankmage
@Aragorn
@Anna Puna - Damage Nova form.
@Chaos Womble - Kiter
@Destoroyah
@Sexy Kane - Pinner
@Charnell
@Dwayne Pipe reserve.
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What about stalkers getting a suppress aura toggle?
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I suppose they could make it a toggle that either it turns itself off after 15 secs so it acts like a timebomb or you can turn the toggle off yourself so it acts like a detonator before the 15 secs. Being able to do either is best for people who would prefer to do either, one or the other. My forum name is actually my ar/dev and I agree to this idea as it's basically not changing a power on anyone which would force a new playstyle, instead it's only making it more flexible.
I will say tho, after such a change I not sure devices will need looking at again. There's only so much poverty I can plead for any of my blasters and I do believe that they're roughly alright weighed against eachother in pve. -
Quote:Originally Posted by TechnoPB
i used shivs for part of it, and had nukes for the 1st rommy kill but thts it. I have 46.99% range def with hover on (fly was on in the pic). On the Final AV using boost range u can kill the nictus at max range and you dont recieve any aggro so it was simple, just took a while to kill them all.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/534...0425212033.jpg
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Roms only ranged attack is Pilum: 80ft max and can not fly, the Nictuses max range is 60ft with Ebon eye which is a massive contrast to Praetorian AVs which can take ya down from 310ft. Good job, I would of never of doubted this as being doable in the way that Devs define soloable. Nice to see someone doing this kind of thing. -
Quote:XD was a hurried post before sleep, nearly midnight to me. I even forgot PvP had changed.Originally Posted by Kioshi
Even if it were a PvP build (which isn't because he has AoEs and powers that would be useless in PvP, plus no SS and SJ), he would need zero kb protection.
Most toons with built in KB prot (Wet Ice in this case) also have 1000% res to KB (or 10k %). Only toons with no native kb prot (fire armor, dark armor, ninjitsu, squishies, etc) need 35-41, some would say 45, points of KB prot. in PvP. -
TF over, dinner over etc etc and its fair to say that everyone has contributed something worth looking into. Swap a couple of powers out and put in haste and taunt and you could generate my ice/ice tanks build from these suggestions. Hibernate though ya might as well forget even a single rechg as the rechg meets the nophase period. I know its a second build, what the second build could be about I don't know but if it is PvP then I think about 18.7+ mag in KB prot is all ya really ultimately should go for otomh but few will see it as worth it and I'll agree as it's pretty much only the FFers that pull that.
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@Aragorn wants in, he asked first and so does @Dwayne Pipe who is like a 9th interest. I'll say if anyone is thinking again about opting out, ie RL gets in the way as it was with @Alpha Boss I will understand completely. @Dwayne Pipe can do it in anyones place. All Kheld STF = not easy. That's why it'll be really something it cld take 3 attempts due to time commitments and the uncertainties.
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Pls do not respec yet as I am in a TF and I see major probs with the build, after the TF I'll say stuff k.
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I do think that, some weighing up of cost is req'd. Some bonuses sort for are gotten at an expense that could be avoided and the inf freed up can be sent to another toon. I ain't spent much on my Inv/SS, possibly no more than 100 mill and wouldn't consider any order too tall.
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Quote:That's something that goes both ways. Some AV in the old days would wipe out a team and have complete damage mitigation. It was from the old days when people couldn't super spec their builds and people had no clue that empaths found themselves just permanently having to buff or heal everyone. People have a right to their opinions. I decided not to be bored with them now. I don't care what concepts people have, fussing over a little lack of damage is nerdlike, a life is needed by those that do care and are bothered.Originally Posted by GreySquirrel
Death = 100% damage mitigation.
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45% to all but Psi can be achieved a little more sensibly even with the BotZ changes. By that I mean not 6 slotting haste and by having attacks that do more damage but less taunt and so still generate threat. I personally could of gone that route but as I like my tankers to feel different, have some weaknesses and require skill I didn't bother. Edit and a more end friendlier build with DP perma
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I did use @Anna Puna and @Annapuna as I was careful to check the tab for the text that came up, but I know these things can be missed through getting up and being away from the keyboard at the time. With you though I thought you might come back to these forums.
I've still yet to see other peoples khelds which is v helpful in working out roles.
Also got to find a replacement for @Alpha Boss as hes been sidetracked with other stuff. -
Lacking a /Thermal MM and seeing the theme I made a Demon/Thermal. Then gave her a name which means "Gifts from below" which is also an alternative to Pandora and now I just wait for GR for new content to level thru.
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Quote:That's quite sig worthy.Originally Posted by Sailboat
Every man dies. Not every man truly lives.
Deep for sure.