New Dawn

That's not what I am saying. I can read your line 4 different ways and its still a myth.

Defenders can't keep a team alive single handedly. There is no singlehandliness in a team.

From my standpoint another Tanker isn't needed and when ya do have that second tank there is something of a failure normally. I've been in PuGs where people knew the Tanker they had and so I got an alt only to find that the Tank they knew wasn't much good but people will be people who don't mind failing something repeatedly because there was fun involved. Me I wouldn't dedicate my life to repeating nothing if I can help it. Lets face it if ya spent a thousand hours on a Tanker only to write everything ya know on 2 sides of A4 something is wasted.

This is a myth.

I'm only a global tell away. Hello friendslist! I don't just play on Defiant so don't single out this servers forum. Plus no good if X Factors on as I am supporting Little Mix

You'd make my ideal victim muahaha.

Ok so let me see, overcoming heavy tohit debuffs is just a simple case of using +acc powers or inspirations.

Inspirations are great if you got them.

+Acc powers sometimes rely on tohit. So you need to hit first.

Also some +Acc powers can come late. So you can do content thats heavy in tohit debuffs and then level up and get that power to do something about it.

If your DA which is what we are discussing here 4/9 DA powers rely on tohit then depending on your Attack powerset upto 9/9 powers rely on tohit. Tohit debuffs can cause a substantial blow if you have too much of it. Avoiding too much of it is not always possible.

After Soul Draining giving my Dark Tank a +30%ish boost in tohit which I did well to get I have watched my tohit go down to about 34.8%. With 2 Accs in DR I am missing targets, all this while I am -rechgd 42%.

I don't believe in a set waiting to get an incarnate power to be somewhere alright to play and easily handling tohit debuffs.

You can be a victim. I have a mission people can try if they got a DA with a attack set that relies on tohit to gain tohit.

Missing can hurt because when you Dark Regen there is nothing, everytime you miss you're using endurance that does nothing or not as much as you can hope. Couple with -Regen and things are just waiting to happen. If you've got Build Up then yep that really can help in dire situations but if its a +acc power relying on tohit then perhaps not.

People can attract Statesman from the Gens. If you got a Dark Armour Scrapper with all his toggles on who suddenly uses build up or something then there can be an instant attraction. The answer isn't always obvious, your range, taunt duration, recharge and any dps on Statesman TF all come under question when you lose aggro.

Taunt isn't always autowin. For as long as I can remember it never was. Different NPCs will react differently towards it. I've seen aggro'd Devouring Earth take some pulling which was least expected. Clockwork and Nems that's to be expected but AI is what it is for a reason Devs should know. I doubtful that there is a major problem with the aggro formula itself.

Whilst second tankers shouldn't be needed it doesn't mean they can't be useful. Usefulness is down to how people play. Lack of usefulness is why some tankers would prefer a scrapper in that second tankers place. A second tanker could be useful but often isn't by their own in mission decisions.

Yep me too, although I don't predict painfulness.

Its the Taunt:Rechg ratio that matters to me then the range is what it is to me specifically designed to almost give people what they could really minimize AV range DPS without actually allowing it to go that way too far.

I realize the only buff mentality is a worry but this is Taunt I am thinking off. Downgrading other ATs would do them more harm than good, improving Tankers taunt duration well that looks perfectly harmless to me. Although it may make tanking a bit easier most things die, pretty quick enough anyway.

I'm not all for it, if a Dev comes up with an interesting way for Tankers to have an improved "potential" of re aggroing an AV off of Brutes then thats cool beans to me. Not good to tamper with other ATs taunts tho unless its a WS but even theirs is what it is for some reason.

I almost fell out of my chair XD

What server is this?

I wouldn't change Brutes/Scrappers/Widows taunt at all. They are superbly balanced. I know from playing them ATs and benefit from them. Changing them is not an option to me. I wish Black Dwarfs was longer, as good as White Dwarfs which is almost superbly balanced.

Simply increasing gauntlet duration would be probably a bad design idea as it makes things easier than the Devs would want. It's an AoE gauntlet and already superior to Brutes.

It would be nice if two gauntlets could apply with each hit, one is single target and the other one is what we have, the AoE. The single target one can stacks with the aoe one. It can be balanced so that it still takes work to take from a Brute but, be easier than it currently is.

Some people may not come across taunting brutes "on their server" but on other servers some people have brutes with taunt as a set mule and use it on an AV with gusto, compromising the rest of the PuG. I don't care how people play but I like to be in the team and able to do what I think Tankers should be doing. I don't have a situation as much as I foresee a situation and to be a Tank unable to redirect damage away from team because of a Brute would make me want to ask, why am I playing a Tank? I am not fulfilling my role.

I play my Brutes as Tanks, if a Tank isn't redirecting damage away from team or a team doesn't make use of safe standpoints. I might as a Brute try to make the situation safer, this is why I would still prefer Tankers to have to work at taking aggro from a Brute.

Communication, the chatbox is there for a reason and the logical route but the amount of times I thought "I would of got thru better speaking english on the French server" is unreal, but they are more strategically minded alot of the time, bless them.

Not saying that taking back ST aggro should be easy, (tanks are clear in front on aoe overall) just doable without having to dip into mickey mouse pool.

Damage:

Assuming most peoples tanking hours are 50+ where endurance never runs out which is an easy thing to assume. What if all tankers were altered in ways so that its not /SS thats particularly good for farming, all secondaries are? It doesn't have to mean an increase in DPE, nor a decrease in recharge just a change in what damage some AoEs do in some sets purely so that farming speed is more even. (It would mean an increase in EPS for some sets but you can play or build to plug that). Generally some of the weaker farming sets would feel like they perform better.

If I want to change from Nova to human all I do is click my macro which has me in human flying. So any additional clickies are without risk. It actually doesn't require many slots per attack and you're only talking 3 attacks that put you at such range so thats not bad.

This is where we are just two people out of many. Only a small fraction of people visit the forums or have a kheld as a main. My Khelds ain't my mains. My builds are very expensive but not purpled, purples would go in mains. Rather than go for doing things one way which is fine if you could afford to purple out I am looking at doing things an alternative way. Because its less costly, offers more survivability, it therefore is logical to me. So whilst people can presume such and such is useless at 50 to them which is in their right and is probably true doesn't make it so for others.

I'll always assume that despite the fact I don't do certain things or have certain powers it doesn't necessarily make what my choices the natural choices that others make. My peacebringer still has grp fly. I have an anticipated use for that too. Someones PB is bound to have Spring Attack. Whatever floats their boat.

I quickly worked in Nova with 2 ranged attacks with 3 slots in each, using your Purple PB build, kept most everything the same cept again Proton Scatter is still not there. Then I worked out the DPS trade off and it is high, unavoidably but so would be being dead.

Nope, tried, tested and proven. I lack on speculation. Outranging does mean you can't be hit at all as whats outranged is outranged, you keep it that way and easily so and I only say potentially scot free because if you position wrong you could be compromised because the geometry of map and your place within it is somewhat important. You can easily die fighting with human form.

It doesn't have to have a place but it can have a place. There is a difference.

Human form ranged attacks have less range than Nova. I would get more survivability from Nova. Whilst in human form blasting, Recluse can reach you with his attacks - his max range 110ft. Whilst in Nova form it doesn't have to be so, my Novas max range with 3 attacks 120ft. That's why 8 Novas on Recluse is less awkward, less complicated and potentially scot free with a coffee in one hand when it comes to anyone getting done in. Smiling Joe would be right if ya ask me about not needing a tank on the last bit.