New Dawn

Once a build is of a certain level, whether it has flaws or not comes down to the player. I'd of had a different build but then I am a different player.

Yes it is and you are 95% of the way there. Do you want to have someone finish off that last 5% for you or do you want to finish it for yourself? I know that I'd rather do the last bit for myself.

I would suggest looking outside of your build and into the builds of the AVs before coming back to your build and considering your options.

I done it for myself when they first come out on test, I spent every night for two weeks playing with them, ofc you can find a lot on websites now.

I done him, undefeated for a bunch of scrappers as a SR scrapper, it's easier and better as a Tanker.

Tremor + Fault might = 0.67kb+0.67kb

Although I do not see why it should.

Whereas Crowd Control + Whirling Mace = 0.67kb+0 kb

Whirling Mace is a Stun.


@Nintova, In order to be conceptual, to not normally have a problem in threat levels, have team dynamic and make up flexibility, somewhere all that I would of done was fit in Taunt, the real one and gave it slots. Working out just how limited I would of imagined to be on that build would of been of interest.

In terms of aggro control, potentially indistinguishable. This can cause arguments as you can direct AoE on to the team or off of the team.

Not far at all. Brutes are pretty much right on a Tankers toes just like a Controller or Corrupter is to a Defender without the Brute being buffed to Res, Def or HP cap and then Brutes do more damage.

Yes. With the right player, disregarding whatever sets they took as well, they won't even need a team make up that consists of certain sets, they are simply unlikely to be as fast as a result of an unselective team make up.

People tend to flow to certain sets like Stone, Willpower and Invuln.

I think judging for yourself is the best thing. When Going Rogue comes out I would expect to see good graphics and so you could be best off raising a Tanker before trying to play a Brute like one.

Tankers can keep people from being defeated, getting defeated isn't some "it happens" thing, it's avoidable. Brutes generally play like Scrappers yet can have great aggro control making the Tanker incapable of making defeats unavoidable. I will end up arguing.

Remember this game is balanced around SOs. This game is also very close to a game within which potentially anyone can work well with anyone providing people build to do so and play in ways to do so, often ingame it don't matter, somebody normally has something you can work with.

When I build a Tanker I ask myself "How would I tank X for Y". Lets say its "How would I tank the entire inner circle for a trick archer?" To be able to do that is a 2 way thing, firstly you would have to of built to offer yourself the scope of play and the Trick Archer would of too. Giving nothing away I like to see TAs fully primaried.

Most tankers, I could say they build to play for themselves, put all their interests into their shields and attacks and then have people follow them about, but you should really try to know as much as possible about every power, other powersets and the AVs. Then work out how to combine abilities to create a dynamic that works "against an AVs limitations" and then hold it.

I was looking at your power choices in comparison to what I would suggest for all round flexibility, the flexibility of potentially getting on with any team make up (player skill is important). Looking at your power choices I would only change 2 in order to be more all rounded on a MoSTF, just 2, nothing in the offense department to change When it comes to the STF there is actually no need to actually change any powers in your build at all, in short, your build looks, on the surface, perfectly fine for STFs with "anyone in team" from my PoV. Different people, different sets, familiar challenge, "different tactics". It's how you go about things together as a team that matters.

I like people to look at the full picture and work it out, firstly lets imagine I had 2000 hours tanking play before I worked it out and you are on 500hrs. If you work it out by the time you get to 600 hours, then you worked it out in a better time than I by 1400hrs and so well "Congratz". To be fair though, most my hours were before CoV happened, I just like to say that. When you work it out priviledge others with the chance to work it out.

Edit: Just to be clear, the STF is about Saving the World and I think it is okay to have a build that will do "whatever it takes".

Yes way, and for anyones information, 2 years ago whilst on the US boards there was also a lot on "Icetanks having problems with Lord Recluse". I had solved the issues of taunt control and survivability with an SR "Scrapper" way back then. Firetanks can achieve taunt control and survivability even easier now.

Too much for some ppl to comprehend so it was in 2007 that people were immediately like "no way". People with an "I can't do it therefore no one can" mentality can stay well in the dark as far as I concerned.

Since then I have tanked every AV on the STF as a Scrapper for a bunch of scrappers and walked out undefeated.

I have every intention to do an all Scrapper STF with a Fire/Fire Scrapper tanking it.

It'll get done. I don't have "can't" coded in and limiting me.

Looking at your interface it's actually blindingly obvious why you can't on a MoSTF, just something for you to think about. Your build is possibly 95% of the way towards achieving it.

Not trying to go one better because people bring whatever they like, but still I think that 2 defenders and 2 controllers can be over the top in terms of support for that even with an SO built Fire/Fire.

Gratz on that btw, gratz on finding a good team of people, the whole team generally have to play well.

Pics or it didn't happen.

I thought that, but then I came up with a concept, and then I came up with the look and cossie, and then I gave it a name...doh.

Yep and it's played by failures all failing to quit too.

*Hangs head in shame*

PGA is late to me, -31% dam debuff is nothing to be sniffed at.