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Quote:The best team tanker will have taunt.Originally Posted by Ultimo_
The point is that he has only one attack...
I'll explain. I did this when a team I was Tanking for told me I was stupid for not having Taunt, and that I was supposed to just soak up damage and taunt things - Tankers aren't supposed to attack...
It's meant as a joke.
My character is Inv/SS, so I just went with that again. Will does have a good rep though it's weaker at aggro control.
The game is balanced in the tankers with taunt, favour. -
I agree on Build up although Stun is still a good tool to have and think an extra slot for BU can be found.
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I took Nintova's and made it soft capped to all but Psi, slightly higher psionic defense
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Regen is lower but the HP cap is met meaning the health points per sec is the same
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Despite this it's not immortal so I gave it more control b
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The price to pay was dpe and some DPS in the Stomp p
It's really that flexible I might have to make it
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Relying on a single Rad or Kin it can pay for a Brute to play like a Tanker, doing enough to maximize AoEs but I wouldn't call such teams typical.
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Defense is probably the best thing.
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Have to say well done on keeping track so well Golden Ace, it's a shame I didn't get to this game sooner as Avatea would of lasted. Also if there was a bigger fight to keep War Witch alive then I am sure I would of had reinforcements in the wings aka the European Lounge.
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Quote:Does your build differ from this much?Originally Posted by Strykr
I am also still sort of learning about the various enhancements. I see now that I am still having endurance issues. Any suggestions for builds would be very much appreciated. Keeping in mind I don't have resources from alt's to purchase crazy Enhancements or "Hami O's" which I have seen talked about so much on the forums.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Level 34 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Temp Invulnerability -- ResDam(A), ResDam(9), ResDam(9)
Level 1: Scorch -- Acc(A), Dmg(13), Dmg(17), Dmg(23), EndRdx(23), EndRdx(34)
Level 2: Dull Pain -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(3), RechRdx(3), Heal(7), Heal(7), Heal(15)
Level 4: Combustion -- Acc(A), EndRdx(5), Dmg(5), Dmg(13), Dmg(15), RechRdx(17)
Level 6: Swift -- Run(A)
Level 8: Unyielding -- ResDam(A), ResDam(11), ResDam(11)
Level 10: Taunt -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(25)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- EndRdx(A)
Level 16: Health -- Heal(A)
Level 18: Invincibility -- DefBuff(A), DefBuff(19), DefBuff(19)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod(A), EndMod(21), EndMod(21)
Level 22: Resist Physical Damage -- ResDam(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc(A), EndRdx(25)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- DefBuff(A), DefBuff(27), DefBuff(27)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle -- Acc(A), EndRdx(29), Dmg(29), Dmg(34), Dmg(34)
Level 30: Tough -- ResDam(A), ResDam(31), ResDam(31), EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Weave -- DefBuff(A), DefBuff(33), DefBuff(33), EndRdx(33)
Level 35: [Empty]
Level 38: [Empty]
Level 41: [Empty]
Level 44: [Empty]
Level 47: [Empty]
Level 49: [Empty]
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
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More can come but they will come looking for anyone. As they get near those untaunted ones may perception check a friend. This is why when tanks taunt pull they like the team back, allowing all mobs to get to him so he can control them.
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Ideally most would go for damage type defense, I changed your build by changing what some slots are and left some empty for you to play with and make your own decisions on. It's good practise. If someone else comes up with a build you don't have to finish then thats okay as I only lost about 2 mins of my time.
Edit: resent with data chunk
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Unknown: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Energy Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(5), RctvArm-ResDam(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(29)
Level 1: Barrage -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Empty(37), Empty(46)
Level 2: Energy Punch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Empty(34), Empty(46)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Empty(A), Empty(5), Empty(11)
Level 6: Bone Smasher -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(7), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(7), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), T'Death-Dam%(46)
Level 8: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(9), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- Empty(A), Empty(50), Empty(50)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(13), P'Shift-End%(13)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 18: Health -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(19)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-End%(21)
Level 22: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(23), Empty(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 24: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), RgnTis-Regen+(25), Taunt-I(25), Taunt-I(37)
Level 26: Taunt -- Insult-Taunt(A), Insult-Taunt/Rchg(27), Insult-Dsrnt%(27)
Level 28: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 30: Whirling Hands -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(31), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(31), Erad-%Dam(31), Empty(34), Empty(40)
Level 32: Strength of Will -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(33), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(33), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Energy Transfer -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(36), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Empty(42), Empty(50)
Level 38: Total Focus -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(39), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(39), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Empty(40), Empty(40)
Level 41: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(42), Empty(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 44: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(45), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+(48)
Level 49: Stun -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Your DPE will lower running assault but the rest of the team should be cool with it. Also its great taunt and placate res. Tactics can be used for a IO set and give you res to confuse and fear, but when it comes to perception Glacial Armour should be alright, cheaper to run than foc acc and benefits team.
Your survivability can be enough without fight pool but you maybe happier with than without. Some suggestions are best made with an idea on how the rest of your build is or you could try the concept you prefer.
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Quote:Yes but where does it say the OP is looking for an exemp build? It doesn't so a lvl up build maybe the thing or the suggestion that the OP may want to take their armours early in leveling up to tank to their satisfaction.Originally Posted by Minotaur
Remember in I16 you will keep powers gained up to 5 levels above your exemp level.
Both yours and Heracleas are just as playable to me, well at 50, although I would do something different myself. I play WP/DB anyway. I can't help but notice that you differ with taking toggles early to the point of including tough. -
Quote:Considering that you are to me on your own in doing that other than soloer's then it is a fair comment for me to make possibly for the OPs sake. I honestly find tanking in PuGs asap more fun. The fewer attacks I have the more it compels me to tank for a full team and properly force multiply. So .21eps is not fair for 20% base S/L/P res? I do Willpower without Stamina as well as I feel that it is potentially over rated when you already have QR and that's especially so if you have too few attacks to really be getting along with. If your happy with your build then that is all that really matters, I'd be wrong in telling anyone what they need.Originally Posted by Heraclea
"Have fun. Postpone toggles." is my motto. I build my WP tankers the same way I build any other character, aiming for Stamina ASAP. Frankly, without SO enhancements MoB does more harm than good; the survivability you get out of it is not enough to justify its endurance cost, especially when you are also running at least two other toggles. I've built a small army of tankers, scrappers, and brutes running Willpower that all were made with Stamina before toggles. They were adequately tough in the teen levels without that extra toggle.
Super Strength is somewhat of an exception. You do want KO Blow at 20. So I have to put off Stamina to 26 to work it in. -
Prophecy Fulfilled.
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BackAlleyBrawler = 1
pohsyb = 0
War Witch = 249
Witch +
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BackAlleyBrawler = 2
pohsyb = 1
War Witch = 247
Witch +
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BackAlleyBrawler = 10
Pohsyb = 10
War Witch = 230
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Quote:My stance on that was mentioned earlier.Originally Posted by Sarrate
There is a huge difference between tanking for a group with a WP Scrapper than trying to out threat a Shield / Invuln Scrapper. Scrappers (and Tankers/Brutes) have higher innate threat mods than the squishier ATs, (3 for Scrappers, 4 for Brutes/Tanks), so mobs are more likely to stick to them anyways. Add in a weak taunt aura and Scrappers can pseudo tank. If a Tanker doesn't Taunt, Invuln/Shield Scrappers will out threat them given enough time. I did it all the time on my Invuln Scrapper vs Invuln and Stone Tanks (this was before we knew how taunt worked, mind you.)
Personally, I find holding aggro off other taunt capable characters to be fun - it's part of the challenge of tanking. Besides that, it makes me a better Tank in knowing how to push the character to the limit. (I do feel bad for Brutes I team with sometimes, though. :P)
There can be moments when those of said other Tanks (never share a team with me), Brutes and Scrappers will have to turn their toggles off or compromise the survivability of the team. Hell I think I can come up with moments where it maybe worth "scrappers" turning their damage down a tad even without a taunt aura or debuff or control effects but I have more to test still.Quote:Your going to be low on the threat ladder compared to others at times but these others tend to be tanks, brutes and scrappers of which you don't really have to concern yourself about. -
BackAlleyBrawler = 11
Pohsyb = 12
War Witch = 227
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Quote:I am not convinced that Bridger was understood properly by you Circeus but I may of been reading the wrong text to you.Originally Posted by Circeus_NA
Bridger mistakenly made this claim on the Euro forums. It didn't jive with other information I had, and I sought dev clarification. #17 is the result of that clarification.
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BackAlleyBrawler = 13
pohsyb = 13 -
War Witch = 224 +
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I just remember Circeus' taunt guide being good at the time, at least I can't see how the wording can really throw anyone. I can provide more information but I think the section should be helping to get people from A to B like it does and not A to C like it doesn't which is good. People can get from B to C off their own backs. Giving everyone a chance to work new stuff out for themselves atleast then leaves them the ability to claim to not of had everything handed to them on a plate and be a complete product of someone else. I certainly ain't.
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BackAlleyBrawler = 15
pohsyb = 14
War Witch = 221
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I couldn't be leaving Mind over Body until 22. When it could be in by 16 so easily, although not that late neither, 10 or 12 would be the latest. It's nice to actually exemp and perform as best I think. Heightened Senses in before Moonfire's max level as well but then I'd want to be with it for Synapse.
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"While I really enjoy the hobby versus immersion outlook, there will always be hardcores that take it to the immersive extreme and play until someone in a bio-hazard suit shows up with the eviction notice." - Paul Barnet
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BackAlleyBrawler = 15
pohsyb = 16
War Witch = 219
Witch +
pohsyb -