New Dawn

I would completely give up on any hope of seeing them all to 50 right now.

If we don't want to be rivalled, equaled or beaten on anything then what will have to be the first rule? The less said the better? What's in other peoples builds is their business and not even in mine.

Plus what was doable in I15, maybe, well laughably easy now, but not once it's fixed, something else may surprise us (flipping highly doubtful but its not worth counting any eggs yet). Not worth us doing till it's a fixed TF where you can't easy mode it.

There was no mention from me about beating them as fast as a team of debuffers.

We hit them. No one gets killed and the DPS is maintained. I am saying that none of us were watching the clock and I will say that it was generally faster than from what I have seen in an average team that would have say a debuffer or two, a couple of blasters, a couple of scrappers and a tank. We could of been slightly faster with a debuffer which is what I was getting at but not really something we had to care about.

Yes, in all Scrapper ones, one Scrapper can be used to keep the rest of the team alive, someone said that they can't whilst down repping me saying its laughable but I know what I see. I am familiar with speed runs too as I have been a part of them.

I think, I don't what it is with Scrappers but most of them are just hungry for blood, which means you got what you got for example when the US guys did it on test something like 121 defeats. We don't have anything like that. It was less than 10 and all of them resolvable.

We are not your average bunch of scrappers.

The AVs go down so fast we had no need for a Kin or Rad tbh although the difference may be shown but seriously we wasn't watching any clocks.

It shall be interesting what times we can get anyway, hopefully there will be no new changes.

I tell you what, when I do the all scrapper again, when they fix it so that you can't tamper with it, I'll time us. Then we will see about bagging it and getting a best time with the other ATs hopefully, team holding together providing, oh and on their alts lol some only do scrappers I think.

There is how you see yourself, how others see yourself and who you actually are. Who you actually are is all that really matters to a believer. By the time the fat lady sings you could be seen as anything but who you think you are.

For someone you would be no one but a victim, for someone you are an abuser and justice? Well that'll be subjective.

Who are we to judge?

One can live in ones own world, may as well as we so often do anyway.

I see it as more as that, sometimes people don't mean to come across that way.

I see people being downrepped on their first and very harmless post. This is not nice and not a good reflection on the rest of the community in the game so in short I suggest no more down repping, just up repping and up rep anyone that has been down repped for no reason.

I'll accept it. I had asked without accusation. It appears to me that some anonymous people on the board may lack integrity.

Let me put my statements another way though.

4 + 4 + 4 =

That's addition right? Only if you choose to view it that way. I don't do things slowly, I don't have to care about the rules other people give themselves, so that may as well be a multiplication to me.

Did you down rep me anonymously? Accusing me of arguing with you? For saying what I am arguing about exists when you have show no maths? And trying to tell me that keeping a team alive isn't in fact force multiplying.

Without leaving a name?

Isn't that the cowardice that is like shooting someone in the back of the head whilst there dusting their mirror?

Hahaha.

I would never down rep anyone without leaving my name.

Multiplication is also short hand addition. Your mind doesn't play with everything like its plasticine like mine does. Thats all it is.

That

Email Avatea if you haven't emailed anyone already.

This.

Rep them up incase.

Rep up, not down. Never down, why bother? Trying to give someone a bad image? That's not very nice, besides in a post worth down repping I am sure people create an image for themselves.

Yes and if that means that someone survives long enough to keep using their force multiplicating powers then force had been multiplied. It maybe indirect but it is there.

A defense multiplier is a force multiplier and force multipliers can be defense multiplier. If the force multiplied means a fight duration is halved then yes that means there is a lot of damage mitigation.

Every little element that this game gets divided into is all the same bleep to me of which I just throw into the same bag. In the end there is no reason for me not to have any AT in the team.

And when the team inclusive of the Kinetic defender can be debuffed, devalued or lets just say outright torn apart a Scrapper can do something to prevent it. Thus allowing force multiplication to even happen to begin with. Lets say if its not for my scrapper keeping damage, debuffs etc off of the team there may not be any force multiplying going on.

All scrappers offer some force multiplier, in some teams if it was not for confront forcing an AV to attack the confronter with control, debuffs or damage effects over in area A then all the people in area B would not be force multiplying too well. I couldn't give a stuff about -defense from scrappers.

Yes because a team force multiplied by person A divided AV X can equal no force multiplication at all.

Yep nothing about me says a scrapper has to provide it, whether they needed to or not to get something done is another matter.

Force multiplication comes from a multitude of sources, you just don't always get it from somewhere without the person providing it needing some protection.


As much as I hate maths your using it to try and work this just makes it worse, lets not mention simple algebraic realities cos it's a nonsense. I have been in the top 5% for maths all my life and it bores me immensely. Ofc a Scrapper can improve a whole teams effectiveness but no one is saying that it is done in a way that Kineticist can. A scrapper can at times, outright improve a teams effectiveness more than a Kineticist can in its own roundabout way.

If your dead, then your powers aren't going to come back faster or your attacks aren't going to hit harder. Also if you are debuffed or controlled then your less of yourself. At times, in places, a Scrapper can keep you fully functioning even from the very aspect that you are alive. Under those circumstances which I will call force dividing the Scrapper is force multiplying you all right there.

"What are you skipping them for?" is a question that might be in need of asking.

Not far at all. Generally I would say that if it is tankable with a tank, its tankable with a Brute. Also the keeping aggro of a large number of mobs is not hard with a Brute neither.

Ideally if anyone is able to say they can Tank, then they should be able to tank with any Tanker and if they can say that they can make great Brutes then they can play any Brute. It comes down to the player. Some people are in Granite for everything, some people are playing the so called weaker sets trying to make their way to become good at them.

Half the forum knows. Try looking up Circeus to start.

If you are talking about scrapper confront then you are completely wrong.

I tanked the STF when you couldn't weaken it with my scrappers for scrappers. We had less than 10 defeats. I didn't die tanking for people thanks.

I do Claws/SR with confront.

Edited for correctness.

If my Brute has to consider the debuffing corrupters it'll add up to more than a rabid scrapper.

You didn't, your idea of fun may have more pace to it than mine.