New Dawn

I came back to this statement wondering and took the liberty of finding out what server you were on. So your on Freedom, I visited that server once to find that there was more kins about than anything else. This tells me that there perhaps isn't much variance in playstyles. People stick to certain creature comforts like glue and perhaps can't live without.

A number of people prefer to stay out of Granite, infact Granite could be a panic button needed only a slightly amount more times than Unstoppable. I prefer to be out of Granite, the whole game can be done out of Granite, but sometimes people see Stone, have the least optional xp/time setting and decide not to use their powers on the whole of the team, making you the unsupported one and so more likely to need it.

Atleast with Granite you can be in a crap PuG and not have to suffer the consequences of complete idiocy.

I've never heard of a tauntless tanker that getting through an MoSTF yet.

I am not saying it's impossible but the tauntless Tankers that I've heard of get through an STF "well" happened to have 3 defenders and 4 controllers in the team and going by your comment you may be agreeable with me in wondering "What the hell was the Tanker for?". I fully agree.

When it comes to Tankers with taunt, they are; with the right player behind them; capable of doing an MoSTF without a single Controller or Defender in the team. Much more capable than tauntless tankers.

I say that because I damn well know that even Scrappers are capable of tanking MoSTFs without a single Defender or Controller in the team.

Prior to people becoming the right player behind a tanker capable of any of this, as Tankers with taunt, they have an advantage of possibly being able to get things done with atleast one of any type of defender or type of controller supporting them.

Taunt adds flexibility and for me as an avid build creator I would be losing out on the equivalent of peanuts without it.

I will say that whatever job a tauntless tank maybe required for a confrontless scrapper may suffice too, that's the beauty of the game infact I might be inclined to prefer the scrapper (who could know tanking well) as they contribute more from doing more damage at the sametime.

That depends on how you build your tanks, from looking at base numbers years ago, iirc using best attack chains they were pretty damn close on what they can do to a single target to an endurance bar. Nothings changed since I last looked I don't think. SS has the edge on Axe in terms of the constant level of tohit really but I think with Axe it can do more damage to more targets to an endurance bar than SS.

I remember vaguely but in the end I was pretty certain that all secondaries were pretty equal just never in terms of the same thing.

Crumbs, d'ya live on the boards or what?

It was 3 years ago when I was arguing how no Hero AT beats a Scrapper in terms of "Raw!" DPS. Scrappers have the 1.25 mod while Tankers are at 0.7. I can't believe I wrote that the wrong way around.

*Puts Barbed wire around thighs and wanders into a dark dank empty room with a short cat of nine tails*

I read what I wrote, I did write it the wrong way around. I should take more time to proof read myself.

Nothing wrong with the MM attacking imo. Your playing an ebul character and so is that MM, ebul doesn't have to give a monkee's about no one. I'd love to team with someone like that, all the baddie ATs should be self sufficient and less reliant on team work..unless a plan is made and stated pre battle one can't complain.

Yeah that's true. Like with the proc, some people can do damage with it now *sigh*. Oh the other thing where AVs became only taunt controlled in a virtual sense by gauntlet and most auras may of done something. Teamwipes facing Mary MacComber probably caused a few complaints too. Brutes probably can rely on gauntlet versus AVs alot better for more than one reason.

I have to admit, these are a pain in the bleep for basic Invulns. Well not so much if you can assess the situation, plan your moves and make them but when you've got a team up your butt that play in a way that compromises survivability it's not good.

Or pushing for more concepts. I'd be so in with Archery/Dual Blades or Pistols/MA. What about Elec/Kat? I'd like to see possible leads into where you say trade some lethal damage in Kat for Elec damage and with cool graphics to boot!

I never needed -Range, I also found taunt adequate as it was, it was to me really, really the most selfless power Tankers could get. No selfishness there, if anything, more to do with consideration for tanking for as many different team make ups as possible.

Back in 2005 -2007 the forums were full of struggling to do certain stuff Tankers who said they didn't need taunt. The -Range killed taunt hate, that I like to think and the scoffing at those who vow to keep it, however, also -range is something that should be a great asset in PvP.

Two reasons that being able to do that kite should of been kept quiet, gaming spirit and let all those who proclaim to know everything already (but not that) carry on in their own worlds.

If anything the kite could of been a last minute idea to fallback on, particularly if your team make up is not with x,y and z, it shouldn't matter.

I've never had to do it in a STF as a Tanker but the all Scrapper STF we came close to MoSTFing, was done in parts, that way.

They could take the -range out, all tankers are still capable of getting things done with a team of RPers with builds concentrated on being lesbian catgirls.

In the first 2 weeks of the inner circle existing, different tanker types could hold up to the inner circle with what people would class as minimal support ie Trick Archery and that was pre -range.

Some people see tanking as in your face threatening and distracting, thats another good reason, it's respectable.

Now apologise for making me read it

Well done that's how you remove the challenge from the game. That's one thing I been keeping stum about and telling others to.

Before introducing the -range component to taunt I did say on the European forums that this can happen with some AVs, knowing which ones, not mentioning which ones. Not mentioning all as you would never get enough -range on all. Edit: I was amazed the Devs introduced it, I guess maybe they didn't read the european forums much.

Prior to the -range in taunt I managed to tank LR unaided for over an hour in 2007.

Be aware that the further away you are the less threat you have.

We can all play STO for something challenging now

I can easily imagine that your build is "at most" 5 slots moves away from being capable of the what I would call the best solution, definitely not worth restarting as a Stonetanker.

One solution, which isn't the best imo, is to know your def levels with one target in melee, up it to 75% def with insps until the blue tower is down. Keep LR in melee so that he doesn't see his ranged, energy attacks as a good option and from his using of melee attacks doesn't keep to spawning banes. So just smash, lethal, minor toxic DoT melee attacks you. Throughout the whole time, no point you hitting him just maintain taunt control. Once the Blue is down, you then just keep to insping to 45% defense while people work on the red tower.

I wouldn't do that method.

Every type of Tanker can be made to tank this without all the excesses in terms of support many teams have had with what I would call the best method, but I'm not going to give you that. If I did that then the challenge to it will disappear and that would be incredibly unkind. Welcome to the side of the game that is there to present a problem.