Nethergoat

And as always on this topic, guesses and personal opinion are all we have.

The value of flagging an action as "undesirable" when you refuse to define the action is nil.

If the devs have a problem with farming maybe they ought to stop designing systems so ideally suited to that pursuit.

If instead their issue is with "exploits", they should say so and issue useable guidelines as to what in their eyes constitutes an exploit.

Is repeating missions for rewards an exploit?
Is fighting enemies you have strong defenses against an exploit?
Is fighting enemies who are susceptible to your attacks an exploit?
Is an all lieutenant mission in MA an exploit?
Is hanging around by the mission door raking in drops and XP an exploit?

The hysteria of the Kontent Kops & Purity Police on the topic of farming would have you think so.

But only the devs know for sure, and they're not saying.
In the face of that silence gamers are left to use their personal definitions, which will vary wildly.

What I have noticed during this recent upheaval is that farmers are largely content to play the game their way and leave everyone else to make their own choices about what's fun. The reverse is not true.

Someone really hates Iggy Pop?

Firstly, farming is the efficient generation of rewards. This quest for efficiency generally means finding large numbers of an enemy you can defeat swiftly on a large, open map with a simple layout.


Secondly, keep your nose out of other people's fun.

you should figure out some way to show your sig at the top of every post, and then make that your sig.

Farmers produce far more than they consume, which gives them a disproportionate impact on the market.

If I16 lures them back out of MA as I expect purple prices will drop again.

I hadn't noticed.

I am impressed that they managed to import all our user info and all the old threads- in my long internet experience forum upgrades usually mean "wheee! everybody start all over again!"

I'm sure they'll hammer the bugs out soon enough.
We've only been here a few days.

I'm sorry you're so threatened by logic and reality.

You haven't answered any of my questions in this thread.

But the old "I've already explained why I'm right, so bug off!" tactic is a beloved one among people with no real argument to make.

I'll condense my curiosity into a single question:

How does a demographic (farmers) who's existence is predicated on generating surplus supply and listing it on the market for influence decrease supply and increase price?

Just answer that question in a way that can withstand logical scrutiny and I'll personally deliver a gilt-edged apology on 80lb hand laid paper to your SG base.

One question to answer.
Your response (or lack thereof) will make the quality of your logic apparent to all.

'Other players' wasn't an accurate statement- I apologize.

Starving the market is what I should have said.

Hoarding was a large part of the pre-MA red side market travails.

While hoarding and trading with your SG mates is great for your SG & friends, it delivers no benefit to the community at large.

The hoarding approach certainly works.
But if by some chance your SG evaporated you'd still be able to do fine by selling those drops and using the resulting inf to buy what you want.
=D

As I noted, farmers generate a huge surplus of 'good stuff' that goes to fueling the market.


Comparing these two posts is also illuminating- the "dirty farmer" is flooding the market with the stuff people want, while the "good casual gamer" is hoarding their drops and starving other players of drops they might be able to use.

I wonder how TonyV will reconcile this bizarre conundrum!

Or ever.

Thanks for posting it out here where us riff-raff can see it!
=D

what you can sell something for has little bearing on what someone can buy it for.

I have a few things I'm able to get ridiculous prices for, thanks to the impatience of gamers.

And in between my ridiculously marked up sales they go for a couple of million, because people are able to generate far greater supply than before.

Instead of one or two recipes selling per month (often less red side) like in the good old days, the 'last five' dates are often all from this week.

Also, there are always going to be unexplored niches with outsized profits for the enterprising player. And they'll dry up as people discover them, and new ones will open up.

Supply is still at an all time high.

Farmers are not primarily consumers.
Farmers are producers.


They are not TAKING anything from anyone- they are creating drops from thin air. If farmers aren't out there generating purples those purples are not being created at all. Which is why prices have shot up.

Farmers in MA = no farmers in PI = many fewer purple drops being generated for the market.

I have a hard time believing your thickness on this topic is genuine.

With regards to the stuff that has been depreciated by MA, that's a two way street. You get less for selling this or that mediocre recipe, yes. But the lower prices help when you go to buy some IOs for frankenslotting or whatever.

The 'good stuff' is still relatively expensive- not as expensive as it was, but nothing to sneeze at either. So good drops will still earn you tons of inf.

And you're completely ignoring the impact of MA on salvage. Rares have taken a huge hit in price, but commons and uncommons are regularly going for several hundred thousand each.

Since 'regular' gameplay generates far, far more salvage drops than it does IO recipe drops this is a net gain in earning power for our friend the 'casual gamer'.

You're either arguing for the sake of arguing, or your understanding of the market is on par with my understanding of nuclear physics. The difference being that I don't mount my soapbox to proclaim the 'truth' of nuclear physics because I know I'm completely ignorant of the subject.



You know what happens to all those 'just okay' recipes farmers create?

THEY GET DELETED.

When you're hitting the ticket cap every mission you don't have the time to list garbage. You're listing the really, really good stuff and nothing else.

You're as uninformed about farming as you are about the market.

Again, even if we accept your ridiculous premise, you're ignoring the reality that cheap recipes go both ways- they're also cheaper when you want to buy them.

And nobody ever got rich selling 'okay' recipes.
They got rich off selling GOOD recipes and good salvage, which is still the case today.


Supply of everything except purples, pvp IOs & a specific few low level uniques is much higher than it's ever been in the history of the game.

And the 'casual gamer' has no call for those top of the line, mega-powerful enhancements.

Then please explain why their prices have taken such a precipitous fall since the introduction of MA.


It's been a while since I ran across a post so diametrically opposed to reality. Thanks for the read.

The more the merrier!

You can never have too many Adblock evangelists singing its praises!

I was handing out +rep to anyone with a cool avatar for a while.

When I should have been hoarding it for my market cronies!

*weeps*

Take the law into your own hands.

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