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I actually agree with Farm-O-Phobic, er, Alt-O-Holic!
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I'm not sure whether to question my own reality, or his. -
Quote:Hello new person, welcome to the game and the forums!Hi everyone!
I wasn't really sure where else to post this, so I chose this forum. I just started playing CoX a few days ago. My girlfriend told me she wanted to play some type of MMO, and after some research, we settled on this one. (I also play EVE Online, but that isn't for everyone, and I don't want to go back to WoW) We both made villain characters and are having a blast. Wanted to introduce myself to the community.
I'm hoping this game will have enough varied content to keep us occupied for a while, since I know we are coming in 5 years late! So hello to all of you! -
Quote:I've explored the 'time is the only real currency' concept several times since the advent of the market.Conversely, he gave you an opportunity to support your position which you, as usual, did not.
I support positions on a sliding scale- stuff I've already worked out to my own satisfaction gets a gloss.
I don't have your patience for explaining the same thing 50 times to each new generation of poster.
But please list your objections to the argument and I will be happy to address them. -
Quote:Fulmens has a bunch of Luck Charms for sale at 2 billion each- so that's "the price"?Actually, you are dead wrong. You have to tell the market what price you want to sell your gear for. Thus, the seller determines the price.
If you thought about this stuff for 10 seconds before you posted it you could deprive us all of a lot of laughter at your expense. -
Quote:My opinion is perceived as poorly thought by those who disagree. Which seems somewhat childish.
I gave you a shot at defending a position and your reply was far from the sort of high minded maturity you require of others.
Your ideas aren't getting savaged because we're childish, they're getting savaged because they're weak and don't deserve to survive. -
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Quote:"sour grapes" is relatively hilarious coming from the queen of negativity.Let's 'accurately describe' your behavior: So much ad-homineming and sour grapes from someone completely unable to accept that other people have differing opinions.
Quote:I have not seen one single bit of good reasoning here...
Quote:Maybe to you! Ha. Maybe you can drag your forum girlfriend She Of The Puppydog Avatar in here to bolster your sagging ratings and lend creedence to your arguments. -
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Quote:I've mentioned before: the basic problem is that we now have three (or four) separate currencies that are "backed" by different commodities.
Reward merits are "backed by gold" - they purchase recipes at a pegged rate.
AE tickets are "backed by silver" - they purchase uncommon and rare salvage at a pegged rate.
Inf is "backed" by recycled cardboard - it buys SOs, DOs, and TOs at a pegged rate.
Gibberish.
Everything in the game is pegged to ONE currency- time.
Period.
Time is the only tangible commodity in the game. -
Quote:Tickets crashed the prices of most IO recipes.Please, enlighten me. Specific details and examples would be nice. I am wondering if you are getting something out of the market that i'm not? Because if all you are getting is goods and currency, I am getting that too.
Merits played hell with pool C.
What I'm getting that you aren't is enjoyment of the market as mini-game. I play the market mostly for its own sake, not because I want this or that or keep score by amassing piles of inf. I enjoy the action, I enjoy finding niches, I enjoy turning profits even when I don't do anything with it.
As players react badly when the devs nerf powersets they like, I react badly to suggestions that would negatively impact my enjoyment of the market.
There are already plenty of alternatives on offer for those who don't enjoy it. -
Quote:each alternative supply source added to the game dilutes the utility of the market further. You don't like or understand how the market works, so you want more alternatives. Those of us who do like and understand it want less.Please, ruin the market? Hardly. IMHO it could improve the market. By cashing in my influence for merits, all I am doing is adding another flow of potential merchandise to the market.
The devs seem to have staked out a workable middle ground with merits and tickets. I'd prefer we not have them, but I can live with them.
I'm against taking it any further down that road. -
Ten seconds of chat will tell you more about a player than their vet badges ever will.
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I'm loving both features.
Power customization has a greater lure than I expected- after I retrofitted the Goat, I obsessively logged in everyone I could think of that had customizable powers and went to town.
The mission settings are fantastic, but not just for my high-powered killing machines. I have several characters who're greatly enjoying the ability to populate missions with LOTS of relatively unthreatening enemies, who collectively give them quite a fight.
My ar/dev for example. Set him to spawn for 3 at +0 level and had a BLAST with a carnie mission this morning. He was definitely living on the edge, but he mostly handled the big spawns of whites with some yellow lieutenants sprinkled in. Died once, went red a couple of other times.
A problem soloing him before was that Heroic & Tenacious posed zero challenge for him. Caltrops, beanbag the dangerous enemy, AoE everyone then finish up the stragglers. But if I turned it up higher he usually got mauled.
The new system allows for much greater control over your level of challenge than the old one- it's much less binary. -
I dislike the infatilization of badge awards.
Maybe some of the REALLY outlandish #'s could have used adjusting, but when someone like me who doesn't care about badges logs in an old 50 and gets 11 of them that's too far in the other direction. -
true market tale:
I wanted a low level Celerity +stealth for my plant/fire dom (low level because he's low level, not because I really like paying a premium). Looked around, none for sale anywhere. Put out a bunch of bids around 20 million.
It took a while, but one finally came through. I happily crafted and slotted it and went about my business.
Logged him in about a week later and had ANOTHER one because I forgot to cancel my bids. Remembering my admonition that anything with 0 for sale is underpriced, I re-listed it for 50 million.
Checked back a few days later, it sold for 51.
So, if you get a low level Celerity from somewhere, list it for more than 50 mil. =P -
Quote:I was making an example of price hiking as a means of seller generated pricing. In other words, I buy 5 pieces of xxx product at 500k each to rig the sales. I post at less than my inflated price and hope that the buyers just hit 500k. Just one small example I see on a daily basis in generics and salvage. It isn't the only and it isn't the last trick. It also isn't the "standard".
Painting the tape has no effect on what I can buy something for.
I look at the last five, see 100k or 1mil or whatever, make my bid for 40k and either win it or walk away and pick it up later. Or maybe I'm in a hurry, so I bid 200k or 1.5 mill because it's worth it to me to pay a premium to have it NAO.
If someone pays a price based on the last five, it's because that item is worth it to them on some level, not because they've been "manipulated" by some jedi mind trick. -
Quote:I don't think I've ever told you to stop whining- you're entitled to say what you like. It's a public forum.Guess what: if you're willing to sit around endlessly arguing with people about how they need to "stop whining" because they have high expectations.... you just go ahead and do that. If you think its wrong of people to want a heightened gameplay experience after what? 5? 6? years in a given game - as you evidently do - go on with your bad self.
In this case what you want isn't possible. But you have every right to voice your opinion, however confused and unrealistic it may be.
Quote:If you think it is wrong of people to want new missions, zones, TFs etc.....
I haven't.
Your entire rhetorical style is based on mis-reading posts and revving yourself up into a high dudgeon based on imaginary statements that exist nowhere but your own mind.
Quote:Its GOING to deliver? Do you have a Magic Eight Ball over there? Psychic Hotline on speed-dial? You know nothing about what GR will actually deliver. Just like the rest of us. We can hope. We do not KNOW.
And when it comes to forum predictions, you're the anti-Nostradamus. Someone could look brilliant just by reading your posts and saying the opposite- they'd be right about 98% of the time.
Like I said, you're welcome to your half-full glass, just don't ask me to drink out of it. -
Quote:accurate description of behavior isn't an insult.If you're going to insult someone, at least spell everything correctly. Infantilizing someone by characterizing their comments as "whining" or "crying" is an ad hominem attack, and does nothing to strengthen your position, nor weaken theirs. That's to say nothing about being uncalled for.
And if you get your panties bunched over a missed apostrophe, the internet isn't the right place for you. -
Quote:Given sufficient supply what someone else pays for an item has zero impact on what you pay. I regularly get junk for far less that what it's "worth" according to the numbers I see when I place my bid.I know I am tired of hearing about buyers setting the prices. Of course they set the prices, but some sellers set the prices too. When you log in and you get ready to buy something and you see 5 sales all at the same price and they seem somewhat inflated, *ALERT*, seller generated price. How do I know that? I have been fighting the forces of "Ebil" since IO's came out.
How do I do that, if those mean sellers are 'generating' their own price?
I guess I'm magic! -
Today is indeed a banner day for eeebil!
Welcome to the club (which I beat you into by mere hours), and GRATZ! -
I'm glad we have people who are good at math in here, because that post made me dizzy. =P
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based on decidedly unscientific observational methods the # of people interested in engaging the market and making buckets of inf enjoy a substantial population advantage over the crybabies who want everything handed to them on a plate.
data point 1: Eeebil Marketeers is the largest forum social group by a huge margin.
data point 2: I get many more PMs asking for market advice than I get PMs insulting my parentage.
Look upon my unassailable fortress of logic and despair, ye market phobes!