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Quote:Well given that this reboot involved time travel which grossly changed the past, it was fitting to have one of the original crew show up and Spock was perhaps the most fitting. Kirk was not possible due his being dead on Veridian 3 (STUPID DEATH!), having Sulu, Chekov or Uhura wouldn't have had as much resonance or impact. Plus Nimoy now gets to retire on a high note with a good send off to old Spock.Originally Posted by Lothic
That's pretty much how Abrams managed to "get away with" as much as he did. He was at least smart enough to tinker with the one corner of the canon that was the least established until now. I actually believe the character backgrounds and initial meetings/interactions were the strongest part of this film. Too bad Abrams couldn't create a decent storyline to surround and bind all of that together. He could have avoided the whole "time travel" nonsense completely if it wasn't a priority to give Leonard Nimoy 10 more minutes of screentime.
Yeah the execs see the dollar signs and hope that said dollar signs can revive the franchise from the dead.Quote:
I could see the argument for letting the franchise rest for a number of years. But to shelve it permanently is probably not needed. And besides now that Abrams' film has made money the studio execs probably won't let it get its beauty sleep regardless.
Still, a reboot is the only thing that can revive the franchise:
1. Classic Trek is not standing the test of time, I've seen the CGI remastered episodes and they are a definite improvement for the most part (though one cannot improve upon weak script of Spock's Brain or the hippie episode), case in point: The Doomsday Machine episode was fantastic.
2. TNG: when it started it pretty much junked old Trek and its continuity, not counting the season 1 episode that was a remake of the classic episode with the dying sun and everyone getting the drunk disease. However many of the alien races from old Trek were junked and new ones brought in (not necessarily a bad thing). The Romulans were made into an almost credible threat but were tossed aside, among other things that hurt the show including the haphazard continuity it had (Warp speed limits being established then junked and forgotten)
3. DS9: only became good when the Dominion War started and the Defiant was added, and even then.....
4. Voyager: the series that blew a gaping hole in the hull of the Star Trek franchise. Kept expecting a Lost in Space cameo with the Jupiter 2 flying by......
5. Enterprise: not a good idea to make a prequel series to a 40+ year old original series, especially from an FX and ship technology point of view...... -
Quote:Classic Enterprise had a crew of 400 or so, Enterprise D had about 1000+ including the families and children.Originally Posted by Energor
I get what you are saying, and you make a good point in what will car engines look like in the future. (but even that pic that was posted however cool it looked didn't look like a dashboard as far as I'm concerened) The engine room did look like a warehouse more than an engine room, but I still don't think it took away from the movie. It's like saying a garage is supposed to look like the living room just because it is part of the same house. it's not. you don't carpet or hang paintings in the garage (unless maybe you are super rich) you have dirty concret floors with oil spots and tools lying around. they often look nothing like anything you find in the rest of the house.
And as for the size thing, I have to disagree there as well. the ship is basically a flying city. when you see the shots of ppl looking out windows or doing things on the hull (from any of the movies) they are super small. it's not a skyscrapper it's a skyline. IIRC i've heard in either movies or TNG that the crew of the Enterprise is in the thousands. you need quarters for each of those members or families. plus room for them to move around and not get cabin fever, etc. I think this movie probably gave a more realistic ratio of engine room to ship than any before.
but thats just me.
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Stallone is reported as saying that he has some ideas in his head for a sequel.
Having seen this movie and for the most part enjoying it.....hey Sly, leave the ideas in your head.
I suspect it took a lot of negotiations for salary and character expectations to land the cast that we got.
Van Damme saying no due to his ego, well that's no surprise.
Steven Seagal is alleged to have had problems with the film's producers on past projects hence his refusal. Though I suspect his ego also got in the way.
I have not heard why Chick Norris wasn't in it, I presume he would have been approached and said no.
Dolph's character was basically his Universal Soldier character, psychotic and drug crazed.
Sly's character was basically John Spartan and Rambo combined.
However looking at Sly, Willis and Ahnold all on the screen together was fun but it also shows that those three are not young men anymore and that perhaps their hollywood careers are best continued BEHIND the camera and not in front of it.
The Expendables would best be served if those three used the movie as the sunset of their action hero days and let the new generation take over.
Though I did like the last line in the Ahnold scene, very funny indeed.
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Overall I enjoyed the reboot despite some plot holes/flaws. However one must also take into account that there is not a lot of official canon history about the lives of the Enterprise crew BEFORE they were posted to the Enterprise.
However I'm of the opinion that the Star Trek franchise has exhausted its matter/antimatter energy reserves and that its dilithium crystals are shattered beyond repair.
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Well my now renegade Blaster who had MoKhan confirmed last night that MoCuda is indeed a separate badge.
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Quote:Or in the spirit of Mortal Kombat..... "TEST YOUR MIGHT!"Originally Posted by Khiva
I can see there being a lot of basic "Fight yourself!" missions. I'll probably be making one of them
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Also in a slightly twisted humorous note; as I wrap up the Rogue alignment quest and had obtained some of the alignment badges, I went to Pocket D to go to the Blueside.
I decided to check my badge total at that time before stepping into KR and noted that with having every possible redside badge and some of the alignment changeover badges, my badge total at that moment was.....666. So glad that the Grass is Greener badge dinged upon emerging into Kings Row.
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Quote:Well I checked badge-hunter.com awhile ago and it lists em both as separate badges....Originally Posted by Snow Globe
The set_title list lacked sample size (mainly was the work of one character bouncing sides in the beta). I didn't have both Master of 5th Column, so it is likely that I've missed a few badges, even beyond the fact that the settitles moved from beta to live.
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Quote:That is the purpose of those two characters, they shall continue on this path.Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Congratulations!!
Considering you can now earn ALL badges on one character, there's no real need to have a Hero and a Villain Badger anymore.
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I think getting the Heroic and Villainous badges in AE require a full alignment shift
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Quote:Hm, different TF's, same badge name....I would think that one wouldn't have to run both of them, unless they decide to rename them to separate them.Originally Posted by Commander
Interesting. Maybe it was a recent change? I could have sworn that Khan and Cuda had separate settitles a couple of months ago?
That or I'm just out of it :P
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Hmm.. maybe they did change it. According to ParagonWiki's settitle page:
643 Master of the 5th Column Strike Force Badge Master of the 5th Column Strike Force Badge
644 Master of the 5th Column Task Force Badge Master of the 5th Column Task Force Badge -
The movie had its fun moments and was better then Viva Rock Vegas.
Rosie as Betty was like.....OMG.........
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Quote:Well as the old saying goes..... coolOriginally Posted by Commander
Yep, the redside Reichsman badge is a separate badge. The Khan Master badge is completely different, even eith a separate /settitle.
Though the thought of having to send my blue hunter to redside to get the MoCuda badge......ugh. MoCuda is perhaps my least favorite.
Just checked Snow's list of set titles, doesn't look like they are separate unless the list is in error. -
Quote:Hm, not sure if that can be done since I have MoReichsman from Redside.Originally Posted by Commander
Grats!
Now you just need a MoKTF (Khan) -
Main red badge hunter goes Rogue and gets a nice welcoming gift on blueside, a winning MoSTF
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Logged an alt in redside and checked the Tip tab and the Tip contact isn't showing up also ran a few mishes and no tips dropped.
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Quote:Yes! That movie was hilarious! Plenty of over the top action and one liners!Originally Posted by BrandX
Should of thrown in Commando for good measure!
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Quote:Yeah..just not one of Sly's better outings at least not to me. Now the Rambo movies on the other hand were good 80's action for Sly.Originally Posted by BrandX
Cobra is classic 80's action!
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Quote:Ok, I had to do a second look at your post. Did you say Dolph Lundgren and good acting in the same sentence?Originally Posted by Oliin
Just got back from seeing this. Fun film with some surprisingly good acting going on from everyone, especially Mickey Rourke and Dolph Lundgren (which surprised me).
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Quote:Okay, I can understand Conan and Predator.......but Cobra?Originally Posted by UltraTroll
Testosterone Laced Movie with High Violence with great one liners, complete awesomeness and at the end you wanted more.
So after the movie we watched Conan, Predator and Cobra.
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Quote:You make some interesting points about the Prequels, but aside from borrowing a note from 80's Dune movie and having us hear their thoughts aloud (please no), I can't see any easy way to incorporate such things without some serious rewrites. In ep 3 though he did get a bit angry at first when told he was not a Master but reigned himself in, and he did complain to Padme about how he feels held back.Originally Posted by QuiJon
This dude sounds really bitter about Lucas not accepting his ideas. Yes there was a inherent darkness to ESB but its because it was the middle act. First act introduces the characters sets up the world and the stage motivations etc. The second act puts those characters into a total no win situation, the third act, they get out of the troubles. Star Wars follows this basic dramatic formula pretty closely.
And honestly i think Kurtz was wrong. I would have been really pissed off, even at 13 when ROTJ came out, that these characters i loved died, or rode off into the sunset, etc. At that age i want a happy ending. And RTOJ mostly provided that. Star Wars wasnt intended to be a movie about the cost of wars, the price of freedom etc. Its a heroes journey about facing challenge, doing the right thing, redemption for mistakes etc. And just like other mythic hero journeys the point really is mostly to see the heroes win.
I take the prequels for what they were, and though i can sit back and say how dorky some of the dialog sounded etc, i know one thing, i had waited 25 years to see a fight between anikin and obiwan, and when they were circling on the landing platform before they started fighting, i was literally sitting on the edge of my seat. And i dont think i had been that excited in a movie since i was 13 watching the emporer taunting luke and just waiting for him to reach out for his lightsaber.
My only real complaint on the prequels is that Lucas either disreguarded or ignored things in the novels for them that make aspects of the movies make more sense. Like in ep 1 describing how anakin was able to pilot the pods by using force powers he didnt even know he had, or just "felt" in the force why he should have fired a torpedo into a dark part of the ship which ended up being the energy core.
In the second movie i think it almost all works well, acept they dont really touch on his dreams close enough, his attachment issues etc, which is really the corner stone of his gradual fall to the dark side.
And in the third movie, his fall seems clunky because they didnt use the set up in the book. In the book he feels very betrayed by the Jedi when they grant him council status becaus Palpatine wants him there, but not Master rank, which would give him access to the jedi archives to in his hopes find a way to save Padme's life. So in this way he feels the jedi are betraying him, costing him padme etc, which opens him up more to the seeds of discontent that palpatine spent years planting in side his head.
But I really try to keep inmind that these are movies primarily made to appeal to the 8-13 year old crowds, and as much as i would have liked a new set of movies made to appeal to me in my thirties, that really just wasnt going to happen. It sounds bad and i usually would say that its a bad trait of a movie to force me to do it, but when i check my brain at the theater door, i enjoyed the prequels very much.
Still, another missed opportunity to try to save Anakin: in Ep 2: Yoda is meditating and years Qui-Gon's scream in the Force as Anakin OBLITERATES the Tuskens that killed his mother. (the ep 2 novelization makes it quite clear that Anakin cut loose and was hurling boulders with the Force and carving them all up with his saber. The only hut left standing was the one his mother was in). Yoda knows that Skywalker is in incredible pain and likely knows that some are dying from his pain. Yet Yoda doesn't talk to Anakin in the rest of Ep 2 due to the events moving against them, but still doesn't try talking to him after things settled down? -
Quote:Yeah, that and Ford supposedly hates sharing the spotlight with too many other characters. Ever notice that in pretty much all the Star Wars games, we might see the Falcon and Chewbacca, Luke and Lando......but never Han?Originally Posted by Mothers_Love
I believe Ford himself also pushed for his character to be killed in ROTJ. He wanted the final instalment to show the price of freedom sometimes requires the ultimate sacrifice.
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Quote:Well Robot Chicken Star Wars 2 shows the Endor holocaust.Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Perhaps some day Lucas or his heirs will go back and create a re-remastered edition of Return of the Jedi with a new epilogue showing the Endor Holocaust. (Spoiler alert: You can't explode a moon-sized artificial satellite in low orbit around a planet without causing an extinction-level catastrophe.)
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Quote:Well with all the Jedi getting slaughtered, including the kids, plus Mace Windu being...disarmed.., the Jedi that came with him to face Sidious being skewered and beheaded, plus Anakin attacking Padme......yeah I can see it being PG 13. Revenge of the Sith is where it all hits the fan for the Republic and the Jedi.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Lucas did push the violence enough to get III a PG13 rating.
In ROTJ; how many Ewoks were killed? We know there was one when that pair got blasted and one lived and knelt by the other and began to weep.
Of course the real answer to how many Ewoks were killed in ROTJ is real simple: NOT ENOUGH!
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Quote:Here's a scenario: the next of kin of many of Joker's victims if not all of them decide to pool their finances to hire someone like Deadshot or Deathstroke for the sole purpose of killing the Joker.Originally Posted by Comeuppance
Funny, every time I've seen Joker escape certain death (the Deadshot hit being a prime example), it's been due to pure dumb luck. Any metahuman (& a few non-metahumans) should have little trouble eliminating Joker.
Now neither Deadshot or Deathstroke strike me as idiots so they should realize that would mean hunting the Joker in Gotham City which will inevitably bring in the Batman. Would Batman attempt to stop them? Or would Batman decide that it's these guys that are doing the killing, not me and it IS the Joker after all.
I'm confident that Batman would stop them. OR the fight might occur with Joker nearby watching, bound and gagged but enjoying how Batman is so conflicted and then the assassin gets a lucky shot off that Batman dodges but it kills the Joker. How guilty would Batman feel about that? Can't say he didn't try to stop them, but he may have doubts about whether he allowed that kill shot to happen.
Here's another scenario: Joker has finally pushed Batman too far, and Batman decides that it's time the Joker was dealt with for good. BUT after he brutally pummels the Joker near to death he then pulls out a device that he obtained and zaps the Joker and the Joker appears to be disintegrated......everyone thinks Batman has finally crossed the line until he reveals that its Superman's Phantom Zone projector and that Joker is now forever in the Phantom Zone. Not dead, eternally banished and can do no harm. A prison that Joker is unlikely to ever escape.